Is Age 23 "Green" for a fighter?

I was one of the people who referenced Clen as green and the reasoning was this.

He was 23, had not fought any real killers yet or someone with she skills and experience Floyd had. So was he a brand new fighter green? No

I meant he was green to the big time and in with an ATG who even at his advanced age was still in phenomenal condition and able to perform at the highest level. Plus the fact that he was already struggling to make 154 and Floyd’s team had him agree to 152 catch weight.

As others have stated on this thread with more experience he would have performed better ( still lost but did better) but at the same time he outgrew those lower divisions.

 

Canelo weighed 165 when the bell rang. Mayweather weighed 149 ... possibly 150 when the bell rang. The "catchweight" discussion is ridiculous.

Canelo was on an eight-year, 43-fight unbeaten streak.
He was the World champion at Junior Middleweight.
He was making his seventh title defense.
And he had a 15-pound weight advantage over a 36-year-old veteran welterweight moving up (who could barely break 150 on fight night).

You could count the great 36-year-old welterweights who moved up a division and were successful on one hand.

The hoops people jump through to make excuses for Canelo losing is ridiculous.

And he isn't a helluva lot better puncher since moving up. He goes the distance all the time. John Ryder went the distance with him. Charlo just moved up two divisions and went the distance with him.

Did Canelo need to have the age advantage, the weight advantage, the division advantage, the reigning champ advantage AND the experience advantage for it to be FAIR?

Christ.

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Firstly I’m a Floyd fan and I wasn’t making excuses for Canelo. All I was saying was he was too green for a fight of that magnitude against a fighter of Floyd’s caliber.

 

It's an excuse used by haters to try and discredit the win period. No one called teo green when he fought loma, and he was younger than canelo with way less fights when canelo fought pbf. Excuse makers with agendas that's all it is and none of these haters can refute this post.

 

Was Pacquiao at age 23 green? What about Danny Jacobs? How about Duran? Almost no ATG is maxed out at 23.

 

It's ironic how a certain fanbase discredits Floyd win over canelo for catchweight, despite him being 36

If we are being fair, then manny beaten Cotto, Margarito and the zombie version of Oscar should immediately be wiped from the record books

Just spiteful hate. Ray Leonard said it was amazing that a 36 year old Floyd could still do that to a younger, stronger champion

Regardless whether it was prime Canelo or not, that was a masterclass and Floyd was no longer in his prime

 

No fighter who's the unified champ and ranked in the top 10 p4p with 40 fights is green. Did people say Haney was green? What about teo?? What about pbf?

 

And almost no fighter in a lower weight division is close to prime at 36. How did Ray Leonard look at a similar age??

 

You are giving a non answer and asking another question. Almost no ATG maxes out at 23. It doesn't happen and if it does happen it's usually wasted potential.

 

Duran made MASSIVE improvements after 23. So that's just wrong. That assertion is not correct. Have you seen the first DeJesus fight? He's many levels above that in his later fights.

 

He wasn't maxed out, but he had many miles under his belt and was already fighting pro as a teen

He wasn't some goofy stringbean that just turned pro aged 20. He was a very seasoned competitor with many fights under his belt

Also my point stands. Floyd was already old in boxing terms, much lighter and has chronic hand issues

 

Duran wasn't green at 23 either. He was already worldclass at that age

 

So what does green mean to you?

 

Again correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Duran also become pro aged 15 or so like Canelo?

These guys were extremely seasoned at age 23

I'm a huge football (soccer) fan and there are numerous examples of players that started young hitting their peak in their early to mid 20s. They just hold that level,or become a little more experienced over the years

Lionel messi was only 23 or 24 in 2011 and many were already calling him the goat