Is Age 23 "Green" for a fighter?

I remember that quote.

That was a joke wasn’t it.

 

Well I'm white European so it makes little difference to me

Honestly, are you trying to tell me that GGG has even close to the same resume as Floyd? It ain't even in the same ball park as manny and Floyd, among others, yet he was the forum darling

Anyway, I'm not going to argue this to death, you and many may not agree, but I have my point of view and I stand by it

 

I couldn't care less if you were in fact a green Martian. You're just another rando posting on a message board as far as I'm concerned.

As to your comments, who said anything about GGG? Certainly not me.

Perhaps you need to re-read my remarks. I largely agreed. I merely argued that the inverse was equally true.

 

I couldn’t care less how many times Floyd fought at JMW.

He was more than happy to fight those guys.

He was more than happy to win those belts.

He was more than happy to brag that he was a JMW champion.

When he fought Canelo, they were both JMW belt holders.

Yes, I acknowledge that he wasn’t a true JMW. I know that. I watched all of his career. But if he was happy to fight for those titles, he should have been happy to follow the rules. So I don’t care if he wasn’t a legit JMW. He had a legit JMW title and the fight should have been at the limit, as per the rules. The C-W was a joke and should never have been allowed to happen.

You can’t pick and choose to suit.

If he was too small to fight at JMW, then he should never have fought above WW.

You cannot bask in the glory of being a JMW champ, before then enforcing a C-W against a fellow JMW champion, where you change the rules of the sport. It’s an absolute joke. You can’t defend that BS.

So to answer your question at the end of your post above:

Because he was obligated to, as per the rules of the sport.

 

Yes, he was more than happy to win those belts and parade himself as a JMW champion.

Yes, Canelo proposed the idea of it before the official negotiations. But again, during the official negotiations, he wanted it changed, yet wasn’t allowed to.

So why are you defending that?

I haven’t pretended that they were the same size. I’m just telling you that what Floyd did was BS and against the rules.

Again, your question has been answered.

Also, it’s not a question of:

‘But why should Floyd have had to do…….’

Floyd was OBLIGATED to do that.

 

What you have written above is nonsense.


What do you mean, let's remove my feelings of what I think his obligations were?

He was obligated according to the rules of the sport.


You asked: 'Why should Floyd have let Canelo outweigh him by that much etc?'

Yet once again, he was a JMW champion himself, where he was fighting in a unification match against a fellow JMW champion, and where his own JMW belt was on the line.


So it has nothing to do with my feelings.

You can't win a belt in a division, before then refusing to fight a fellow champion at the limit, because you're not big enough.

If he was big enough to win it, then he was big enough to defend it.

Nobody can justify that nonsense.


Regarding the belts, how many times have we heard him brag of the number of world champions that he's beaten?

We literally have a statement from him every few years.

How many times has he bragged of his number of divisional wins?

How many times has he been pictured admiring his full belt collection that he lays out in his Nevada home?

If they weren't important to him, he wouldn't continually post pictures of them on social media etc.


Yes, I can see the pattern.

Yes, I know that he wasn't a legit JMW who had a prolonged stay there. But he was still happy to take the belts, before constantly reminding us all of the wins. And he was still obligated to defend them at the limit if he wished to defend them, or if he was to partake in unification fights at the weight.


Silly talk, how?

Again, the belt that Floyd won against Cotto was on the line against Canelo.

Again, Floyd was a fellow JMW belt holder at the time of negotiations.

So HOW can you have two belt holders from the SAME division contesting a fight at a C-W?

It was a JOKE.


Canelo RELUCTANTLY agreed to the C-W. Because like he's said previously, without agreeing to it the fight would not have happened.

Floyd and Ellerbe backed him into a corner.


Finally, you need to make your mind up regarding your stance on Floyd.

Because here you are telling me of how small Floyd was and that he wasn't even a legit JMW etc, yet at the same time, you're arguing with people who are saying that the current SMW version of Canelo would have beaten Floyd rather easily.

 

More silliness from you.


You haven't shown me anything.

I can literally post his quotes and show you photos of him admiring them all laid out on a table etc.


You're also now saying that even though he's bragged of them, that he had no interest in them.


You think that it's okay for one JMW champion to dictate to another JMW champion, that he can't weigh-in at the full limit, as per the rules of the sport?

You've no issue with that??

Two champions from the same division, fighting a unification fight at a C-W?

It was a disgrace.


Of course he was backed into a corner.

What are you talking about?

He wanted to weigh-in at 154, but Floyd and Leonard Ellerbe refused.

That is literally what happened.

Again, Canelo has said that they wouldn't budge, and that if he hadn't have agreed to it then the fight wouldn't have happened.

So he reluctantly agreed.

He didn't want to, but he accepted it in order to get the fight.


Floyd was big enough to fight Oscar at 154 in 2007, but not big enough to fight Canelo in 2013.

It was a joke.

 

23 is definitely green. Look how much better Canelo is today. It’s not only the Floyd loss. He almost got knocked out my Jose Miguel Cotto and arguably lost to Lara and Trout.

 

It depends on the fighter’s precocious management.

Vargas and Benitez were well established at that age some say even past it with their precocious teen years.
Lennox Lewis and Glen Johnson werent even pro fighters yet.
It depends.

 

Often times, fighters who miss weight miss by under a pound. Then they run off to go poop or go for a run. So it's not just 2 pounds. Otherwise, Floyd would have fought him at 154. Besides, Floyd and Ellerbe both said it was an advantage.