Is Age 23 "Green" for a fighter?

You ain't telling me the 152 catchweight version Floyd is the best version, are you?

 

When was CANELO at his best IN YOUR OPINION? Pick a fight. You insist he wasn't against Mayweather ... so when was he the ULTIMATE CANELO?

Tell us when we all saw the best Canelo. Who did he beat?

You have 60 choices ... since you clearly aren't picking one of his losses (to Mayweather).

 

He did have advantages.

Just not EVERY advantage like you’ve falsely claimed on two occasions.

Floyd also held some advantages.


I didn’t want Canelo to have any set weight advantage over Floyd.

I’m just calling out the joke that was the C-W, when he’d just fought Cotto, and his own JMW belt was on the line.

Two guys with titles from the same division fighting at a C-W is a joke.

And that’s all I’ve said.

I’m not of fan of either guy.

I don’t have to get over anything.


I’ve no issue with Floyd having won.

I’ve said on numerous occasions, that apart from the unnecessary C-W, that Floyd deserves huge credit for the win.

I have also lambasted Canelo and Oscar for when they tried to do the same with GGG at MW.

That was also a disgrace.


I’m not harping on about anything. And if you don’t want to keep discussing it, then don’t keep replying to my posts. You’ve even responded to my posts which were set to other members. So you are the one who’s prolonging the discussion of the topic.

Now if you don’t want to discuss it anymore, then that’s absolutely fine.

We’ll move on.

 

You flip flopping all over the place because you know the catchweight 152 Clenelo wasn't the best version. You should just come to terms with it.

 

Dude, he weighed 165 pounds when he got in the ring with Mayweather.

Was 165 pounds a bad weight for him?

OR are you telling us 10 years later you actually thought he weighed 152 when they fought?

You aren't making any sense.

If you DON'T think Canelo was at his best at 165 pounds against Floyd Mayweather, who DO YOU THINK CANELO WAS AT HIS BEST AGAINST?

Name someone.

Do you think he was at his best against Lara? How about Cotto? How about John Ryder? How about Charlo? How about Daniel Jacobs? How about Amir Khan? How about Rocky Fielding?

Name someone. I might agree with you.

 

I’ve already discussed the rules in multiple posts, genius.

Now look at the irony in your own post.

It’s hilarious.


You’re telling me to stop repeating myself, whilst continuously asking me about the rules, which again, I’ve already discussed with you.

I know the rules of the sport.

I also know that they can be both bent and broken to suit.

Money talks.


Floyd was in a position of power, so he got what he wanted.

The WBC and the WBA also got what they wanted too, which were some nice sanctioning fees.


As per the rules of boxing, the JMW division has a maximum limit of 154 pounds.

That’s by all four major organisations.

Those rules have been in place for decades.

They have to respected and adhered to.


So as per the rules, a fighter can weigh-in up to that set limit.

He doesn’t have to weigh-in at a set weight which has been proposed by his opponent.


Now I’ve already told you that I’m no fan of Canelo, and that apart from the unnecessary C-W, that Floyd deserved huge credit for his win.

Now unless you’ve got anything else to debate, there’s no point in discussing this specific topic any further.

 

I asked a simple question.

Is this a matter of comprehension?

You either believe that Floyd fought the best version of Clenelo or you don't. Nothing else matters.

So do you think the catchweight 152 Clenelo is the best version Floyd fought?

Simple yes or no will suffice.

 

You're right. Nothing else could possibly matter.

Canelo weighed 165 against Floyd. That's a pretty good weight for Canelo, isn't it? YOU said earlier that was in the range of his best weights.

YOU apparently can't name a single fight out of Canelo's other 64 bouts where he looked at his best, so, if you can't, why not that one?

Canelo looks pretty much the same to me every time he fights. He's always entered the ring in the super middle/light heavy range no matter what division he had belts in.

So, if YOU can't name an opponent who he looked his best against, let's go with him that time Canelo fought the best fighter of his era, Mayweather, at one of Canelo's best weights (according to you) okay?

So, I guess we're all in agreement. Floyd was at his best against Corrales (12 years earlier), and not even YOU can pick a time or a place where Canelo was better.

And, despite a 15-pound weight advantage, being the world champ at the weight, and being the much younger, bigger guy, Canelo still lost.

Because Canelo wasn't as good.

Sounds right. Let's table that.

 

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Your inability/refusal to answer a simple question pretty much lets me know you know that Floyd didn't fight the best version of Clenelo.

 

You're inability to comprehend any of this is odd.

If you honestly believe Canelo weighed 152 when he got in the ring against Floyd, that's embarrassing.

If you know he didn't but keep insisting he did, you're a liar.

I tend to believe the latter.

Either way, this is kinda over.

If the 165-pound version of Canelo couldn't beat 149-pound Floyd, and you can't tell us the best version of Canelo that does, it's pointless.

 

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Is he (Floyd) just too good?

"Yes. I just didn't know how to get him."

Were you surprised you couldn't use your 15-pound weight advantage against him?

"The 15 pounds (weight advantage) didn't matter. I couldn't catch him."

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I'm convinced these guys are slightly illiterate, or arguing a point you aren't even trying to make. Which means they likely aren't even reading what you are posting.

Once upon a time here, on this very board, MOST posters were against the idea of a title fight held at a catchweight. Hell, SO MANY used to whine and complain about ANY catchweight fights period. Then their fave, or one of, started using them more, and these "die hards" decided it was ok for a JrMW title fight to be held at 152. Or a MW Title fight to be held at 155, no questions asked. Bunch of shameless fanboys.

 

The extra weight didn’t matter at all.

The fight came earlier on his career, and it was a terrible stylistic match up for him.

 

The real question is do you think canelo fought the best version of pbf? that's what you should be asking. Like I always say, I'd rather be 23 than 36 in a boxing match against a bigger man.