Is Age 23 "Green" for a fighter?

Pacquiao at 23 was green. Period.

 

Green ? He had 12 world title fights under his belt. And just a year later would go on to destroy Marco Antonio Barrera how TF is that green ?

Pre prime Manny Pacquiao who improved later in his career ? Yes. Green ? Hell no. I would love to know your definition of green because that ain't it mate.

 

I never said Mayweather was washed up I said he was past his prime. How TF can you be in your prime fighting above your best weightclass with bad hands being on the wrong side of 30 ?

Neither man was at their peak but Canelo had size, youth, on his side and couldn't compete. Mayweather's boxing skills were clearly too much for him end of.

 

Again, Mayweather was the p4p number 1 boxer in the world as well as number 1 at both 147 and 154. He had received very little damage in his career and was still on top of his game when meeting Canelo. That was Mayweathers 3rd fight at the Junior Welterweight weight class, he scored some of his biggest wins there in WBC Champion Oscar De La Hoya and WBA Champion Miguel Cotto who were both number 1 at the weight class at the time, the only difference was he weight drained Canelo while fighting the other two at the full limit.

Mayweather had been having hand problems since 135, you're really gonna use that excuse in his fight vs Canelo? Aw boo hoo Mayweather, such a fragile, small human being, he was lucky to survive his fight vs Canelo due to how small, old and fragile he was. That **** he does to numb the pain on his hands is actually illegal anywhere else besides Vegas. That's why he's fought nowhere but Vegas from 2006 towards his retirement in 2017.

In reality Mayweather is slightly taller with the longer reach vs Canelo. Whatever size advantage Alvarez had was taken from him with that 152 pound rehydration clause. Realistically the only thing Canelo had in that fight was youth and power which describes most of Mayweather's run above 140. He lacked experience, reach, height, speed, stamina, ring iq and punch placement, overall a bad style match up for Canelo. Canelo at that stage would never be able to beat Canelo unless he had size and experience by his side.

 

Disagree, Ali was an Olympic Gold Medalist and had beaten 3 top 10 HW contenders before Liston in Doug Jones, Archie Moore and Henry Cooper. He also had world championship trainers by his side, Canelo stuck with Reynoso who was inexperienced as a trainer and learned a long the way.

Mosley was rubbish at 154 even during his prime. He had done nothing there besides a gift victory vs Oscar while being roided out of his mind and victories over shot versions of Vargas and Mayorga. He was 40 years old, just finished a nasty divorce and just fighting for money at that point, he was unranked at 154.

Moore although ancient still had world class championship pedigree, he was still the LHW champion of the world and ranked in the top 10 at HW.

 

Why are you side-stepping again ? I compared the 23 year old Ali that had already fought Liston and Patterson to the 23 year old Canelo that had fought Mosley and Trout. So why are you comparing the 23 year old Canelo that fought Mayweather with an Ali that hadn't even fought Liston and Patterson yet ? Seems like a dodge to me. And I never said anything about beating the shell of Mosley being less impressive than the shell of Moore, I even said it was a solid win, since Mosley would have a few wins after Canelo, even though they were mediocre.

A 23 year old Ali had beaten Miteff, Logan, Daniels, Lavorante, the shell of Moore, Jones, Cooper, Liston and Patterson by the time he was 23. These are all the top 10 ranked guys he had beaten when he was 23.

A 23 year old Canelo had beaten Vasquez, a shot Baldomir, a shot Ndou, Rhodes, Cintron, the shell of Mosley and arguably an undeserved win against Trout. These are all the top 10 guys Canelo had beaten before Mayweather.

By all means, tell me how wins over a shot Mosley and a controversial one over Trout are better than Liston and Patterson. Or how Canelo's 5 ranked men that weren't Mosley and Trout > Ali's 7 ranked men that weren't Liston and Patterson. I really want to know why Ndou, who would only win one fight after Canelo against a nobody, was a better win than even Moore, who had beaten the top 5 ranked Lavorante only a few months prior to losing against Ali. Or how Rhodes and a shot Baldomir were so much better than Jones and Cooper, both of whom had beaten a handful of Heavyweight contenders each, I really do.

23 year old Ali > 23 year old Canelo, whether you like it or not. There is literally nothing in Canelo's favor, neither in pure numerical stats, given how 9>7, nor in top wins given how wins over Liston and Patterson > wins over Mosley and Trout. I've also firmly established that the rest of Canelo's resume doesn't compensate in quality to overcome Ali's quantity and quality. The amount of mental gymnastics one would have to go through to say that beating guys like Rhodes, Ndou, Cintron etc. should prove Canelo was more experienced at the elite level than Ali, especially if you add his amateur career, is impossible for the human mind.

 

And Canelo was rated number 9 in the P4P rankings, and was the number 1 rated Jr Middleweight with over a dozen world title fights the same Canelo people are claiming was "too green".

He beat ODLH in 2007 a whole 6 years before the Canelo fight.

He beat Cotto who got schooled by Trout right after who Canelo beat, but yet people want to dismiss Canelo's fight vs Trout even though he beat Cotto who recently bloodied Mayweather's nose and gave him a competitive fight.

No i'm pointing out the fact Mayweather's hands got worse throughout the years, and his power seriously depleted when he moved up to Welterweight. He only stopped two opponents at Welterweight one of them was when he hit Victor Ortiz with a sucker punch who was a moron i might add.

As for "boo hoo" so i'm supposed to feel sorry for Canelo who was a world champion and the bigger man ? the same Canelo who has drained other fighters and had the A side judging in all his close fights ?

Canelo weighed 153 pounds vs Trout prior to his fight with Mayweather, Canelo weighed 152 pounds vs Mayweather so we're having all these excuses over 1 pound ? the only fact i know is Mayweather is the superior boxer and schooled Canelo end of.

 

No.. Vargas technically fought Tito at 23, I think that an extra year of experience would have helped him out, but in Canelos case he wasn't facing a power punching killer. I don't think Canelo was green, had 40+ fights I believe its just we found out what style gives him the most trouble, and that's a boxer with an educated jab and fast feet.

 

168 Clenelo knocks any version of Floyd the **** out.

No version of Floyd beats 160-175 Clenelo.

Floyd didn't beat the best version of Clenelo.

You gotta find a way to come to terms with this. I can't help you.

 

The only post of yours I've ever liked.

 

Yes he was green. Why do you think Lomachenko lost to Salido or Robeisy lost his debut? 300+ amateur fights and there are still adjustments to be made for the pro’s. Just like 40 fights of experience against cherry’s put there for you to knock off, doesn’t give you experience for elites, you don’t know what adjustments are needed. Which is why we saw Canelo grow and change his style so rapidly after Mayweather, and then again after Golovkin I.

 

Golovkin II & Jacobs.