Is Ali overrated, pound for pound?

Yes PFP he is overrated he outsized most of his opponents he had all the advantages save a few.

 

He was n't THAT much bigger than his best opponents. And a couple,Liston and Foreman,were heavier.

 

I think if you have Ali higher than 4th in P4P (ahead of Greb, SRR and Langford) you're over rating him. Since i see Ali as pretty clear pick as top HW, if you don't have him in top 10 P4P, you're ratings are biased against HWs. The only exception is if you have Joe Louis rated as top HW--I don't agree with that but it's it not a ridiculous rating. In that case Ali could be reasonably rated just outside the top 10 P4P.

Is Peter Dinklage the greatest actor of all time P4P?

 

Ali is probably one of the most overrated boxers of all time. This guy went life and death with Doug Jones. He had to take smelling salts to beat Henry Cooper.

Overrated to the max.

 

To be honest I'm more of a fan of the lighter weights for skill. I don't think for these pound for pound ratings you can really scale people up and compare like was mentioned in some of the early posts. What you can do though is rate their impact on their own division in their time taking into account how strong you think the division was.

 

Ali was a great fighter but by the lb he does not come close to top 10

 

Who the fcuk was sufficiently STUPID to suggest Ali had an IQ of 67 ?

 

If, by lb for lb, we mean overall greatness in terms of resume, legacy and demonstrated head to head ability, then he could certainly be placed anywhere from 4- 8. Any lower than 10 is hard to defend.

 

They certainly had, lad.

When they fought, I could hardly tell them apart.

Good thing Jerry was White and Muhammad was black.



But uncannily similar styles !

 

???

I need to noodle on this a bit longer, maybe even get out my old biology and maths books.

I see.

Well, I will certainly ponder your words, E.

 

whats optimal height for say...welterweight ?

 

Back during the 1960s, 70s, and 80s I do not recall any discussion about heavies as all time P4P fighters. On the contrary, P4P was always said to be for any fighter lighter than HW. At least that's the way I recall it. Therefore, in his time Ali was never considered among best in this category because he was a HW.

Being the old skool type that I am, I do not rate heavies in this category.

 

so tommy hearns had no chance as a welter ?

 

There have been many fighters in the history of boxing who consistently beat significantly larger opponents. Ali was not one of them. Ali, in fact, had a size advantage over most of his opponents. He also got his ass kicked twice by Kenny Norton. So, no, I can't agree with him being top 10 P4P.