Is Ali the HW GOAT?

Ali is definitely the heavyweight greatest,imo - ability,toughness,H2H hypotheticals,longevity all figure.

 

Holy was PED-fuelled, his best names (Foreman and Holmes) were granddaddies when he fought them, and he had a heap of losses in his prime.

Usyk, not so much.


But You're entitled to your opinion.

 

Because Fury and Chisora wasn't past their prime lololol. imagine Holyfields best win getting his ass handed to him by an old mma fighter prior ? Holyfield wouldn't hear the end of it

Holmes and Foreman were still world class fighters when Holyfield beat them, just like you people try giving aj credit for smashing up an ancient Pulev, Klitschko and Povetkin, except unlike Pulev and Povetkin Holmes and Foreman are all time greats, but let's just get the entire record out the way to make it more clear.

Usyk heavyweight resume:
Fury
aj
Dubois
Chisora

Holyfield heavyweight resume:

Tyson
Douglas
Holmes
Foreman
Mercer
Rahman
Stewart, Bert Cooper, Thomas = Chisora

Usyk may be a better fighter, he doesn't have the better resume

 

This part tells me you are a bit confused.

You're confusing me with whoever "you people" is.

I have not commented on AJ here.




That said, if you believe that Holy's steroid-driven resume is better than Usyk's, that's a legitimate point of view.

It's just not one I share.

 

Because he's 1/3 of Usysk resume, but his opposition are mostly old contenders. Not on old Holmes or old Foremans level which was the point

 

No, the point was that you had me mixed up with someone else.

 

You were the one who brought up age, just showing you how it goes both ways, because aj is usyks second best win at heavyweight no ?

 

No, you're still confused.

You wrote: " just like you people try giving aj credit "

I am not a part of whatever "you people" you have in mind and I never mentioned AJ, much less tried to give him credit.

That's why I said you were confused.

I stated that it was my opinion that Usyk's win over Fury was better than any win Holy has.


And I also said : If you believe that Holy's steroid-driven resume is better than Usyk's, that's a legitimate point of view.

So we can agree to differ here.

 

No, it's by logical association. You brought up the asterisk of age to suggest Usyk has the better resume than Holyfield at heavyweight, when Usyks second best win at heavyweight (aj) has a record full of elders who are inferior to old Foreman and Holmes

Fury was already past it after coming back from 2 years of drug abuse, morbid obesity, got whooped by an old mma fighter and fought 2 ranked guys in 9 years. You find this win special, I see it as idiosyncratic

 

If you say so, lad.

I did allow that your opinion was a legit take.
Mine is different.

I think we're done here.