Is Ali the No.1 h2h Heavyweight?

Add Tyson, Holy and Bowe

 

Foreman, Vitali, Tyson and Holyfield had a better chin

 

clay is still the fastest heavy in history even with modern day roids so I would say ali is kinda no1.

 

No no no and no. Vitali had a good chin but chin/heart no. Adding Tyson and Holyfield is just laughable

 

So is tyson fury. When comparing them, lewis has the best resume by far. You cant compare fury to him at all until he beats Aj, then it can be debated, but even then lewis still has the better resume

 

Not a fan of Fury either. Another overrated fighter who people are too quick to jump on his bandwagon.

 

Ok my fault people have been overrating fury to the point where they have him beating lewis or bowe when his resume consists of over the hill klitschko, overrated wilder, and derek chisora

 

Exactly

 

Will you give me a break with the heart crap. Vitali had more than enough heart, he wanted to continue against Lewis although he was badly cut.
And this has got nothing to do with what I said, this is just about chin.

No it isn't laughable at all. They had bigger neck muscles and could absorb punishment much better. No puny cruiserweight sent them to dream world with a single punch the way Cooper did to Ali. They would have never gone down from just one hook by Frazier.
Ali had the best body endurance to punches, I will certainly give him that, but not the best chin.

 

Tyson and Patterson had similar hand speed.

 

Did you watch the fight?

It wasn't just "one punch", Frazier dropped Ali after 15 gruelling rounds of ferocious back and forth fighting. It was the accumulation of damage to both the body and head and Ali was nailed by a shot he didn't see coming. Ali got up immediately and finished the fight on his feet. Frazier had good punching power and applied consistent pressure throughout a fight so there's no shame in being dropped by him. Certainly not as embarrassing as Holyfield being dropped by Bert Cooper or James Toney or Tyson being KO'd by Buster Douglas.

 

Tyson was knocked out by former cruiser Holyfield lol. He was also knocked out by four other men (the last two we can give him a break). Holyfield was knocked out by a few men. Vitali had a good chin but between his questionable heart and skin have to give the edge to Ali. Can’t believe this is even an argument. Part of having a good chin is being able to get up and recover. You can get knocked down from being off balance exhaustion etc.

 

Holyfield was no longer a cruiserweight when he beat Tyson. He was huge and roided. And he didn't KO him with one punch.

Except for Bowe, nobody knocked him in his prime.
And Bowe was a big HW who hit him with a very clean punch that Holy didn't see. Ali was never hit with such a punch to see how he'd do.

There was no questionable heart from him. The match was stopped due to a cut, now cause he wanted it.

 

Holy was shot when Toney beat him.
And Douglas pounded Tyson all night and only took him down after a 4-5 punch combo.

 

Holy wasn't shot when he was dropped by Bert Cooper, he was right in the middle of his prime. Bert was a journeyman and honestly you could say was an even worse boxer than Henry Cooper.

Ali was dropped by a prime undefeated champion and ATG in the 15th after a grueling war after coming off a 3 year layoff. Tyson was smack dab in the middle of his prime and got his ass beat by a 42-1 underdog in 10 rounds. There is no comparison. Ali also finished the fight on his feet and has gotten off the floor to win multiple fights, something Tyson never managed to do even once. 1 stoppage loss vs 5.