Is Ali untouchable as far as criticism goes??

Rumour has it Tyso was standing behind, ready to rock & roll

 

Sounds like a real sterling resume. You must be proud lol

 

True.

 

File Under: Obvious lack of opportunity to have sex with girls.

 

10.10 guy.

 

What really happened is that you tried to amuse international posters all night and was far less successful than me, even when I got up at 6.45am and you're still up late after yet another unsuccessful campaign to have sex with a woman.

 

Just the 'played pool all night' seems to denote no chicks. :good

 

You'd prefer playing pool or pocket billiards to chicks?

:yikes

 

Talking of 'sessions'. December 8th promises to be an all-timer. A bit of a re-union with mates from London, as well as the core from down here. Out to town all day after the footy (including a few in Shavers bar and Johnny Stracey's local) then fight-party back at my house. A few illegals may make a return- just for old times sake. :good

 

Jesus H! Sounds like a corker. What fights do you see being on the request list?

 

I don't think we'll get in till the undercard starts. It seems quite a good one, well, 'interesting' if nothing else (Lacy-Manfredo). Khan fights earlier in evening, then the big one starts, probably about 4.00am. :bbb

 

Ah i get ya. I miss the days when boxing was big here (Tyson days actually with Fenech active too) and we'd all go to the local and join the cheer. The last big thiong here was Mundine - Green, but i gotta say it was the biggest sport event at the pubs i have ever seen. Every pub with it in town packed. Plenty arrested later too, there wasn't much middle ground in this fight. I actually quietly hoped for and picked a Mundine win as i had met the man and he's nothing like he portrays, silly ****.

 

Did you think it was an evening of old fight mate? Sorry no Page-Coetzee available that evening.


Re: Mundine-Green. There's nothing bigger when it's a fight between two of your own countryman, it's great. The Benn-Eubank/ Bruno-Lewis events were huge. Even back in 1971 the coverage of Cooper-Bugner was as big as the Fight of the Century...Frazier even had to share the cover the following week with Aussie Joe. :good

 

That i did. I'm always behind with the present fights lol. Page - Coetzee, man what a *******. That final left hookercut! :shock:

Yeah spot on. Twas a huge pub i was at, 3 rooms and about 8 screens and you couldn't move in any of em. Only 3 blocks from home. Mundine has set himself up as a love hate thing with not many in between. You could have cut the air with a knife at times.

 

I haven't read all of this thread, but I have read a lot about Ali.

I think Ali was an incredible human being. He was a remarkable athlete and man. He had awesome physical talent, willpower, guts, determination and courage. He was entertaining and witty. A born showman, who could light up a room. But it is ridiculous to try and make him into a saint.

His boxing record speaks for itself...he was, beyond any question a top five all-time great heavyweight. Most experts place him top one or two.

But as a man, outside of the ring, he did have serious character flaws.

He was very cruel to Joe Frazier, a decent man who had been a friend to Ali during his exile.

He was a member of a racist organisation who saw all white people as literal devils, and black people as either with them, or 'Uncle Toms'

He treated three of his wives very poorly, was unfaithful and hypocritical to them. He was a serial adulteror.

But on the other hand he could also be wonderfully kind and generous. He would sometimes take pity on people with nothing and hand them large amounts of cash. He was, and still is, caring and affectionate towards children.

And with all his flaws, the person he hurt the most was probably himself, with his gullability allowing him to be repeatedly robbed of his money and his desire to be in the limelight driving him to fight on far too long and sustain crippling injuries.

Somebody wrote that Ali had strong characteristics inherited from each of his parents. His mother, Odessa was gentle, kind and caring. His father Cash, could be a selfish, mercenary, street hustler type. This sounds a fair assessment of Ali to me. Like most of us, Ali had good and bad in him.

The best single overview of Ali is the Thomas Hauser biography. But read Mark Krams 'Ghosts of Manilla' for the darker side of Ali. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.