Is Ali untouchable as far as criticism goes??

Where do you guys rate Kenny Bugger? I'd say somewhere between Tony Musto and Danny McAlinden.

 

As an Ali fan myself and having a vast collection of books, mags, etc I have found some discrepencies with his story. My latest investigation involves the "gold medal in river" tale, of which, the earliest telling appears in the mostly dreadful piece of propaganda* that was the Richard Durham book in 1976. It's puzzling me why Ali would wait till that time to relay this story. :huh




* Although it does contain some nuggets. The Frazier conversation and Ali's writings to Betrand Russell among them.

 

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You know it´s always hard making such a list... but with a 5th place I can live with... :yep

 

Very mindful from you, perhaps you noticed it, some months ago I had a long discussion with Clay II about some points (incl. the thing you mentioned now) and you know what a final answer I got? That I´m just an Ali- hater...

 

I see Conteh's kicking the usual ass.

 

Nice avatar mate. :good

 

If anything Ali is a massive target for criticism. He cops a lot just because he is Ali. He has his defenders just like every fighter.

 

Oh geez get a clue. Ali gets a **** load of criticism at ESB, way more than any other forum, or among experts etc. People feel they are somehow better for going against popular opinion, such as people ranking Robinson top 5 at best, or Ali the same (at HW). Just because you don't like Ali, doesn't mean that every time someone praises him you have to come out with these sort of comments - "but with Ali here on ESB it´s really almost funny".

I could make exactly the same argument about Marciano considering the nuthugging that goes on for him, but in reality he has plenty of critics too, just like Ali.

 

You´re now exactly like one of the posters MDWC mentioned. Just because I wrote, that some fans overact with him, and crank up the usual Ali- propaganda, doesn´t automatically mean that I don´t like him. The only thing I don´t like about Ali is, SOME of his nuthugging fans. Get it now? And to Marciano: 49-0-0, that´s all what it need to be said. He beat all challenges he had to fight, and he won always in spectacular fashion (never needed the judges, KO´d so many ranked fighters, etc.), he doesn´t need nuthugging (although there are also many like from every ATG- fighter)...

 

No ATG is above criticisim but there are a few that rise above the rest for different reasons,Ali was one of those but so was Louis,Marciano, Dempsey and a few others and they all had there weaknesses, Ali fans think that he could actually fly around the ring and was a superman but we know that he was human and suffers today from a long career and taking a lot of punches, anyway I think Ali is a must for anyones top 5