Is Ali untouchable as far as criticism goes??

I've got every Tyson fight available mate. Most of Ali too. Just pre exile Ali is the one i like. The latter version is sure not unbeatable. The Ali of around Williams/Terrell impresses me greatly. This for me is the greatest version. I take him over Tyson for sure.

 

Holmes never relied on intimidation and power. He had to beat opponents with skill and boxing ability, with the ocassional rough and tough stuff.

Holmes' durability surpassed Tyson's. And thats saying something, as Tyson himself could take a few heavy digs before going anywhere. Holmes got up off the canvas to come back and win while reigning over 7 years.

Everytime Tyson went down in a fight, guess what, he lost. Thats the truth, dont go into hiding now.

 

There's merit there, but Holmes showed his inner fortitude many many times. We know Tyson could decimate non great opponents and damn decent ones, but when the chips are down vs the Holmes, Liston's, Lewis', Foreman's etc we cannot be fully sure he holds up. Rest assured these guys aren't going down without a fight.

 

Tell me again Tyson's best win? To take your stance - Michael "I'm really a 175" Spinks, Trevor "i've been recycled 4 times" Berbick, Tony "i'll go the distance " Tucker, James "i'm huge, powerful and still scared" Smith or Pinklon "i'm 30 but going on 45 in drug years" Thomas. Rudduck didn't know if he was coming or going, sometimes i wonder if he was nuts.

 

How many times has that been posted by yourself on Eastside now?. Its becoming rather long in the tooth.

That would not have happened had it been the Holmes between 1978-1982.

 

Noticed you said nearly. Tyson on the otherhand surpassed nearly. Douglas, Holyfield, Lewis, Williams, and McBride. Down on his ass, and beaten.

 

Yeah. Credit where its due. Only time Holmes was ever stopped.

Many times was Tyson stopped, five?.

 

Berbick has to be there, he beat a fine version of Thomas who in turn had beat Witherspoon and Weaver. I think the Berbick Tyson beat was in better fettle than the Thomas he beat. Berbick was also not one bit intimidated and Tyson was yet to prove he could peak the top level of the day. Berbick was an excellent win, especially considering how well he did it.

 

Granted Holmes opposition was a bit thin.

 

Yeah Berbick is up there as well. Great performance from Tyson.

 

Larry was old and took Spinks for granted before outclassing him second fight. Holmes was running on 75% tho, and about 50% for Tyson. The best of Holmes would flog Spinks.

Thomas was a heroin addict early on.

 

Legend, don't frget to respect possible dial up users on the site, your use of multiple video (ridiculously so lol) will give them hell when loading a page. Might even be good if you could edit it down from the 30 or so images.

 

No doubt you did lol.

I was a dial up user for years. Where i am took quite some time to get reasonable access to better service. Some in Australia will still be on it.

 

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There's some real kick ass pics of Tyson.

One of the most interesting moments i have ever witnessed in boxing comes in the look on the face of Tyson when he looks up at Holyfield who had just dropped him for the first time.