Is already Usyk in "the HWs 15th best ever" as to skills?

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  1. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

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    Dont consider his short resume even if he has come to the Hws with zero defeats in the CW, never KOed and beat two times a twice WC like Joshua...concentrate yourselves on his skills:

    _ chin and recoveries
    _ stamina
    _ combos
    _ IQ ring
    _ heart
    _ pound for pound number one

    I mean can Usyk be considered better than fighters like Norton, Vitali, Valuev, Bowe, Wlad and other who in general stay between the 10th position and the 20th?

    Besides if he becomes undisputed could he stay in the 10th best ever?
     
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  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    He's better than everyone you listed. They were all skilled for Heavyweights. Usyk has the skillset of a top tier Featherweight, Welterweight, Middleweight etc. in a Heavyweight body, which immediately puts him head and shoulders above almost everyone who's competed in that division.
     
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  3. sasto

    sasto Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If we consider the skills of other guys who had brief HW careers the list might be quite a bit different. Instead of the Klitschkos all of a sudden his competition includes Roy Jones, James Toney, and Ezzard Charles.

    He still might be top 15, but it brings in some names that would never be in top 15 H2H heavyweight lists.
     
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  4. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    What on earth made you mention Valuev??
     
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  5. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

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    And where would you want to put him? After the 20th? After all he was WC for a long time and he could boxe better than others in any case. Valuev was not without some skill, though. Haye admitted that his rival had “a very good and fast jab.” The jab was his weapon of choice, understandably so considering he had a reach of 85”. He could work from a distance knowing that his opponents could do little to counter, considering they couldn't get close enough to land a punch.
     
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  6. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Shouldn't even be mentioned
     
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  7. Boxing2019

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    Read better my post dude
     
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  8. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Read it fine

    Just think he was a very poor example to yse
     
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  9. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

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    For what I read on the web Valuev firmly stays in most of lists of the 20th best Hws ever. There will be a reason different from his size or not?

    Or do you consider him a sort of sasquatch who doesnt deserve to appear in a list of boxers? Lol.
     
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  10. Mordechai

    Mordechai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    After the schooling usyk will put on on fury he will be the heavy goat imo
     
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    If he beats Fury and Wilder, then we can have this conversation. Until then, his HW resume is too thin.
     
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  12. Wizbit1013

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    I consider him a rubbish boxer who was massively protected
     
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  13. lordlosh

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    We are talking skill here, and he is already been there easily, not just that. Pretty much no one come close to Usyk in terms of skill on current, past or whoever you wanna bring.
    The only thing he lacks is one punch KO power.
     
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    I'm of the mindset that this needs to be demonstrable. And his current resume does not demonstrate that "no one comes close to Usyk in terms of skill..." at least in the heavyweight division. Sure, he convincingly cleaned out the cruiserweight division, but he's only really proven that he can hang with the big boys at HW, not that he dominates all of them. Let's see him handle the unsolvable puzzle that is Fury, let's see him handle the KO power of Wilder. If he wins those fights, then he's got my vote, but until then, you're just talking hypotheticals.
     
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  15. JunlongXiFan

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    Top 20 most lists? No way. I am a huge fan of Valuev on a personal level, no way he cracks top 20. I don't think he was top 5 in his decade.
     
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