Is America Eliminated from the HW scene?

...is bull****?

...is Nationalistic wish-making?

...is an inability to come to terms with not being number one?

...is a simple minded excuse that ignores all the myriad other factors that could be involved, both domestic and international in an effort to feel better about yourselves at night?

 

I'm not claiming that every big kid in ukraine wants to be a pro boxer, just that there is less competition from basketball to attract the tall strong kids,
in many european countries particularly former eastern bloc countries there are fewer boxing shows so fewer opportunities to make a pro career. Many of the top amateurs in ukraine still don't turn pro. Look at the Ukrainian medal winners at HW and SHW in international competitions, they didnt turn pro. That is why the number of Ukranian hws is not reflective of the standard of ukrainian hw boxing.
Size is a big advantage in boxing so in countries like ukraine and the UK the very tall heavyweights rise to the top of the division, Wlad, vitali and dimitrenko in Ukraine, and Fury and Price in the UK.

Whereas in the USA, who are the best heavyweights, Arreola, Chambers, mitchell, thompson? They are either much smaller, or don't have the athleticism of the tall guys from the non-basketball nations. (fury not that bad for a 6'9)

If boxers were as big in the 70s as they are now and the eastern bloc was entering the pros, I think the USA would have been much less successful on the heavyweight scene then as well. Of course Ali would still have done well, and foreman and frazier, but i think much of the rest of top of the division would have been european

 

you obviously have ZERO idea how big "American" Football is over here in North America. I live in Canada, and I'm sure if there was a vote and Toronto had the option of getting a franchise but all the city had to do was have the province of Ontario become a State, I can almost guarantee the majority would opt for an NFL Franchise. You talk about all the soccer teams, pro soccer teams, but how many are ELITE? Do you have any clue how many College football teams there are? The television deals, the sponsorship, the MONEY involved with that sport? I'm sure an 18 year old kid, when faced with the option of being hit in the head and hopefully make some money and avoid the corruption in boxing OR offered millions of dollars and endless women (the women while he's being scouted) and the fame on his campus, his city, everywhere by signing a lucrative NFL contract, what dya think that kid is gonna do?

 

Elite meaning in the top ten? I'd guess about ten at the moment. How many NFL teams are currently in the top ten? All of them?

 

When has America ever had 318 pounds, 6'5 plus ATG heavyweight boxers? That's right, never!

 

You get a guy who comes along at 6'2 205 with the power and hand speed of Joe Louis and unless he has a glass chin and no heart, size won't matter as he powers through both the heavies and the cruisers

Now, you can look at the olympics, world & european amatuer championships and see who the threats would have been. An American wins one or two national titles, they go for the olympics. Win or lose, they turn pro.

These cubans should not have been going back for two or more olympics and world championships. The russians and east euro fighers should not have been going back for two, three, four european golds.

For the top Americans who went to the olympics, you see a four year pattern. Within four years, they are either champ (Patterson, Ali, Leonard) or number one contender (Foreman) or they turn out to be a bust (Biggs, Maynard, etc).

Teo Stevenson won his first gold in 72. Had he turned pro then, he could have been Holmes' late 70s-early 80s rival ala Ali-Frazier. OR he could have been another Jorge Luis Gonzalez.

Felix Savon won World and Pan Am gold in 86 and 87 respectively. Without the boycotts, his 1st olympics would have been 88 instead of 92. That would have made him a contemporary of Lewis, Bowe, Mercer and Holy.

Boris Lagutin shouldn't have been a two time olympic champion because he should have turned pro when he got the Bronze at the 1960 rome games. By 64, he should have been fighting Joey Giardello and Dick Tiger instead of Gonzales and Grzesiak.

The list is endless...

 

The United States will produce a decent HW when England wins the World Cup.

Oh, wait...... did I pretty much consign the US of A to never??

HAHAHA

**** England. :bbb

 

Shall we compare UK and US heavyweights historically??

I'll start:

Ali.

Submit the name of a better heavyweight from the UK.

Whoops..... you can't. :hi:

 

And how many great English fighters do we presently have? Froch-- who just got his ass kicked by an American?? Khan--who just lost to an American??

Chisora? Haye?? Please.

How many English fighters are considered Top 10 P4p type fighters??

 

what world are you living in? 17% of americans live in poverty and rising.

the correct response to the "the best american heavyweight is in the nfl/nba" is that the best american heavyweight is most likely dealing drugs, in jail or dead.

i'm also not sure life is hard for gypsies. do **** all work, always have new cars and plenty of cash and sluts on tap. they are ****ing crazy though.

 

It is not NFL or NBA. This is the real reason:

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Poverty is a relative term. In the old days, poor folks did not have enough to eat. Today "poor" folks own flat screen TVs and cars.

What the **** is that supposed to mean? Are you suggesting that say, Ray Lewis of the NFL, would be more likely to deal drugs than box if the latter was available as a sporting outlet in lieu of the NFL???