Is America Really Declining Boxing Wise!!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by socrates, Oct 1, 2008.


  1. socrates

    socrates THE ORIGINAL... Full Member

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    mayweather is semi retired ,odds are he will fight again!he certainly has a mouth on him but the ability to back it up too!admittedly im not his greatest fan either.

    i think pavlik will live up to the hype(if he isnt already).

    i know what your saying,but what im arguing is why are the american "stars" declining (if indeed they are)is it simply "the sports finished anyway so lets focus elsewhere as the person above suggests .lol." type of attitude or as i say globalisation?

    the europeans etc are **** so why bother just doesnt cut it with me or anyone with a decent grasp on reality!

    im tired of the hate towards non american fighters but when the shoes on the other foot its decidedly tight fitting.lol.

    the sport in my opinion is evolving not imploding it would evolve a great deal more if the don kings,delayhoyas and frank warrens etc would let it.do away with all promoters, fighters should take a leaf out of JC's and RJJ's book
     
  2. socrates

    socrates THE ORIGINAL... Full Member

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    duly noted.

    the answer to your question though is no.lol.
     
  3. boxingbull

    boxingbull Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I actually think its a good amount of young american talent on the horizon (some of them even champs) in a variety of divisions, obviously it is not what it use to be but still good nonetheless:

    Pavlik
    Diaz (Juan)
    Dawson
    Williams
    Berto
    Arreola
    L.Peterson
    A.Peterson
    V.Ortiz
    Greene
    Kirkland
    Bradley
    Alexander
    Paris
    Dirrell
    Ward
     
  4. socrates

    socrates THE ORIGINAL... Full Member

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    appreciate your post.
     
  5. tommy the hat

    tommy the hat Active Member Full Member

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    Yes, boxing is not what it used to be in the US. First of all, the sport used to be a mainstream sport here in the US. It recieved mainstream media coverage that it doesnt recieve anymore. Most major newspapers had a boxing writer on staff full time whose articles appeared frequently. That isn't the case anymore. Mainstream sports magazines like Sports Illustrated used to have boxers make the front cover and have extensive articles on boxing. That doesn't happen anymore. Boxing used to be on free network tv here in the US. That doesn't happen anymore. So anyone who says that boxing has not declined in popularity in the US is in pure denial or is too young to remember what boxing used to be like in the US. That isn't to say that there arenot any good American boxers anymore. Of course there are. But the difference is that years ago the mainstream sports fan would know who these guys are and get to read about them in mainstream news outlets and see them fight on network tv. Now that isn't the case.Definitely not a positive.
     
  6. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Promoters are also a big reason why the sport has declined in the U.S. Greedy promoters who throw every big fight on PPV therefore, the common folk is shut-out from the sport.

    In my opinion, boxing is one Tysonesque or Aliesque fighter away from mainstream coverage.
     
  7. NALLEGE

    NALLEGE Loyal Member banned

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    Boxers used to be able to make big time money if they became big. The guys that are low on the totem pole still make little to no money, but it seems that the promotor's are making more money that the boxers, and kids see this coming up and just don't become motivated enough to enter the sport of boxing and stick with it. there are other sports outlets as well. I'd be here all day blaming/explaining this and that, but I'd rather place the blame on Arum:lol:. Good thread...
     
  8. socrates

    socrates THE ORIGINAL... Full Member

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    thanks..

    we could go on and on.but lifes just too short..
     
  9. sp6r=underrated

    sp6r=underrated Member Full Member

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    Boxing was the second most popular sport in the country during the first half of the 20th, and now its not even mainstream. The more popular a sport is, the better ability of it to attract top athletes, so yes boxing is on the decline.
     
  10. r_9-Ronaldo

    r_9-Ronaldo Shinny Shadez Full Member

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    maybe because the future champs are going into other sports just take a look at Reggie Bush or Ladainian Tomilson, both built like rocks and look like they could've been something in boxing, if more and more american athletes go to other sports than boxing will eventually die out in america, infact I think MMA might be more popular now because of Kimbo Slice
     
  11. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly, back in the late teens and early 20's, it went Baseball, then Boxing, as America's most loved and respected sports, Ruth and Dempsey were the guys kids looked up to.

    As for the arguement in it self, I think Boxing is on the decline in America, and being replaced by other sports and unfortunately the UFC, which is what kids my age and younger are really into now adays, and most kids rather strive to be a MMA fighter, rather than a Boxer, because that is whats popular. Two of the gyms I used to train at are closed down, the one has already been replaced by a MMA fight club, the other is just an abandon building.

    I feel the youth is more interested in other things, not so much Boxing anymore I'm afraid, I cant speak for the rest of the world, but in the U.S. Boxing is not even a top 5 sport anymore and gets very little coverage on sports channels, unless it's a name fighter like RJJ, Oscar, or Mayweather. If I walked outside and asked 10 random people, "Who is the current Heavyweight champ?" I would more and likely get 7 or 8 different answers, at one time in this counrty every red blooded American male knew who the champ was, thats just not the case anymore.
     
  12. socrates

    socrates THE ORIGINAL... Full Member

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    with regards to kimbo slice:

    mentioning him in conjunction with MMA is like mentioning butterbean when talking boxing.lol.

    mma is popular because of fighters like fedor emelianenko,georges st pierre, anderson silva etc and the pride grand prixs,ufc etc

    slice is a flavour of the month,a cash cow with no considerable talent other than an "image", he made his name beating up fat pizza delivery boys on youtube culminating in a fight with a very average mma fighter who tooled him which in turn persuaded him to try out the sport ,he has had mixed success with lascklustre opposition i.e james thompson a roided up technically defunct mediocre heavyweight who arguably beat him in his last outing,slice fights for elite a smaller mma organisation,the people who credit him with any MMA integrity are the same ones who follow vince mcmahons wrestling.lol.

    image means nothing,if you think just because a guy looks (as you say )like a monster he could be a top fighter then you need help! thats a lame argument...

    there is room for both mma and boxing..

    and america IS still producing heavyweights,but you exspect everyone of then to be a mike tyson the 80s are over,people need to get there arse out of don kings naff 80s and move on.you could compare tysons era to nowadays i.e supposed bums and 1 good fighter,but nahh wlads a bum.
     
  13. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    nah fam... you definitely aint from the states.


    as far as the youth goes...
    basketball football baseball soccer lacrosse tennis are all more popular than boxing

    the order of those sports changes regionally but regardless boxing is still behind all of them
     
  14. socrates

    socrates THE ORIGINAL... Full Member

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    f...me!lacrosse,tennis ,basketball in front of boxing

    wots going on man.
     
  15. BadJuju83

    BadJuju83 Bolivian Full Member

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    Would add Cloud and Jacobs aswell.