Is America Really Declining Boxing Wise!!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by socrates, Oct 1, 2008.


  1. smiffy

    smiffy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    well said that man, we celebrate our sporting heroes .
    if roy jones did happen to be british , he would probably have a knighthood by now.
     
  2. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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  3. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    It's not just the US, for a new fan of boxing actually trying to catch a high level fight in the UK, its very difficult, almost everything decent is on pay tv or ppv events, its basically cutting off the supply of new fans to the sport.
     
  4. smiffy

    smiffy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    only hatton and calzaghe are pay per view, ITV still have some good fights on, albeit a slightly lower level. it seems that in america EVERYTHING is on PPV.
     
  5. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    the only fights i've seen on ITV are Amir Khan, thats it, and he is gone now.

    Haye, Hatton, Calzaghe and Khan all on pay tv or ppv, as are virtually all the big US based fights.

    ITV has the Hennesey stable. Its not exactly world class is it (not that im not happy about being able to watch the fights).
     
  6. smiffy

    smiffy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    frochs last fight was on itv .
     
  7. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    The vast majority of top class fights are on pay tv or ppv and this is bad for boxing because it makes it difficult for new fans to come into the sport. Thats my point, do you disagree?
     
  8. smiffy

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    no i don't, but in this country your hattons and calzaghes will always be hero-worshipped whatever channel they're on.
     
  9. treva1977

    treva1977 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i think it is in decline,one of the reasons could be MMA.
    i think there should be programmes to get kids off the street and into the gym,then alot of prospects would come through.
     
  10. TheH1tMan

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    Bull****.

    Isn't it strange that this happens just as the Eastern europeans and Cubans have access to getting professionals? The Eastern Europeans and Cubans have dominated amateur boxing historically and everyone knew that the US was suddently dominating for pros was because their main rivals could not turn pro. Now they can, and now we see the result.

    But - no surprise in the reply from some American fans. It is like when someone loses the race in the school break... "I don't even like to win that race anyway.. hrfmm.. it is stupid. Only fools are interested in that race any way. I would much rather ... and so on.

    A natural reaction for some. But the objective truth is obvious.
     
  11. socrates

    socrates THE ORIGINAL... Full Member

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    right!

    i agree, its as simple as that,excuses are excuses but facts are facts,thats the way i see it.

    the whole moving to other sports thing is utter crap,were supposed to believe america is starving for fighters all of a sudden.
     
  12. socrates

    socrates THE ORIGINAL... Full Member

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    i dealt with him on that point,somewhere on the thread!
     
  13. tommy the hat

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    You make some real good points. Also, I feel another reason boxing has declined because the United States has become obsessed with lawsuits and overregulation. There have actually been incidents in recents years where people have sued or tried to sue gyms because they got tagged with a good shot in a sparring session. It has even happened at real fights, both professional and amatuer. To me that is unthinkable. I mean you don't to see anyone get hurt, but if you get into boxing, you have to know that it is possible, and accept that.
    As a result ,many gyms have closed down because of the cost of liability insurance or fear of dealing with liability issues. Boxing commissions as a result are forced to overregulate the sport with safety rules which make putting on a boxing card too expensive. If there are less cards, then boxers are going to quit the sport because nobody is going to put in all that hard work for nothing.
     
  14. tommy the hat

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    You make some real good points. Also, I feel another reason boxing has declined because the United States has become obsessed with lawsuits and overregulation. There have actually been incidents in recents years where people have sued or tried to sue gyms because they got tagged with a good shot in a sparring session. It has even happened at real fights, both professional and amatuer. To me that is unthinkable. I mean you don't to see anyone get hurt, but if you get into boxing, you have to know that it is possible, and accept that.
    As a result ,many gyms have closed down because of the cost of liability insurance or fear of dealing with liability issues. Boxing commissions as a result are forced to overregulate the sport with safety rules which make putting on a boxing card too expensive. If there are less cards, then boxers are going to quit the sport because nobody is going to put in all that hard work for nothing.
     
  15. Danny_Rand

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    Americans own more belts the Cubans and Eastern Eastern Europeans combined. So i fail to see how we've lost anything. :nut

    Btw, the great US heavyweights would have kicked any current heavyweights ass. It has nothing to do with Eastern European talent. Its lack of it in the USA because of interest. If boxing was still the number 1 sport, they'd still be getting their ass kicked like they got it kicked in the olympics. Ala George Foreman beating the **** out of that Soviet.