Is America Really Declining Boxing Wise!!

I never said Samuel Peter was great fighter, he is actually appears very limmited at times, but I like his heart and power, and unlike Wlad, isnt afraid of going toe to toe with his oppenents.

I dont really know your thoughts on the Heavyweight division, but I many others feel it's starting to become quite an embarassment to Boxing ever since Lewis left in 03. If you ask alot of respected Boxing journalists and commentators like Bert Sugar, Larry Merchant, and Bob Sheirden, they have already showed there distain for todays Heavyweights on air or in recent books they have wrote, so us Boxing fans are not alone in the majority opinion.

 

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its not by default if someone puts the work in to be champion of the world.

thats just bad sportsmanship if you want to call it that just because boxing isn't a mainstream sport in the US - which is what this boils down to.

 

just seen you trying to back up calzaghe on a recent post so is that your allegiance?

don't be afraid to put your opinion on the line if you want to judge others

 

well done.

to be honest a lot of people aren't big enough to say it straight like you just did.

that's what makes you a good poster.

 

Yes, you must have amnesia. Let me enlighten you ..."basically talking about fighters in your own country who fought there
fellow countrymen under massive mainstream homegrown media exsposure at the sports height of popularity,that and your comment proves one thing to me the sport in your country was incredibly narrow minded and self congratulating"

That is one but of many great examples of your obvious hidden agenda to deliberately disparage fighters of American heritage, all the while completely oblivious to the point being made. Here, you concentrate your efforts (to further your anti-american sentiments it seems) on irrelevant materialisms surounding the fighters rather than the fighters themselves.

Maybe I need to repeat it again for you? There has yet to be an Eastern European or Cuban fighter that transends his division in the likes of a Floyd Mayweather, Roy Jones Jr, Pernell Whitaker, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Foreman/ALi etc.., etc..

And listen here, I'm not talking about media coverage or any of your other sensationlist arguments, I'm talking about downright ability and professionalism as a fighter. In fact, you had absolutely NOTHING to counter with except the same tainted dribble over and over again about coverage and popularity, completely ignorant of point of the skill levels above of the mentioned fighters. Meanwhile, I specifically made my case....maybe you need to read that again as well? ...."Ruslan Chagaev is called the "White Tyson", but there isn't a single European heavyweight that remotely resembles the skill, power, and tenacity of a Mike Tyson or Joe Frazier (and that includes Sultan). What you have is a bunch of average Eastern Europeans overflowing in a weak division....how else would the Oleg Maskaevs, Nicolai Valuev, and Sergei Liakhoviches become heavyweight champions of the world?"


Now let me ask you bluntly, WHICH Eastern European fighter has shown to be on the same level as the aformentioned heavyweights above? Why don't I start a list for you?

Wladimir Klitschko - Great boxing ability and a strong overhand right, yet panics under pressure and cannot take a solid, hard punch to the jaw very well...which is why he is great at protecting it. Fighting style mostly resembles Lennox Lewis.

Ruslan Chagaev - Called "White Tyson" but fights timidly and does not possess devastating knockout power like a Frazier, Shavers, Tyson, or other heavyweights of his stature. Basic boxing ability.

Sultan Ibragimov - completely average, as shown against Ray Austin and a shot Evander Holyfield.

Nicolai Valuev - Huge, slow and lumbering. Best wins over Ruiz and Chagaev

Oleg Maskaev - do I really need to explain this one?

Sergio Liakovich - KO'd by a huffing and puffing Shannon Briggs, who was but a shadow of the former fighter that wobbled Lennox Lewis ringpost to ringpost for a few rounds.

Alexander Povetkin - Unproven as of yet, fights in workmanlike manner, no obvious distinctions as of yet. An Eastern European Ray Mercer in the making?

And there are many others like Krasniqi who are forgettable. Do you see the pattern here? A division filled with a quantity of Eastern Eurpean heavyweights that struggled with fighters of yesteryear. Do you not see the obvious distinction in skill era for era and the point I'm trying to make? NO amount of sensationlist references to media and popularity will change that fact.

Tyson fought in a weaker era? Somehow, I have a feeling that if Larry Holmes, Frank Bruno, Tony Tucker, and Michael Spinks from Tyson's early years were around today the heavyweight belts would not have fallen to Eastern European club fighters. Even other heavyweights during Tyson's in-prison and post-prison period such as Riddick Bowe, Andrew Golota, Evander Holyfield, Michael Moorer, old George Foreman, Bert Cooper, Razor Ruddock, Oliver McCall, Lennox Lewis, David Tua, Ike Ibeauchia and a host of other heavyweights from the 1994-2000 period would not have a problem gunning for a belt in today's division.

We are talking about a division that has seen John Ruiz heavyweight champion for a long time, a 19 second David Tua victim, and taking Ruslan Chagaev / Nicolai Valuev the distance in utterly boring fights. This is the same division that allowed huffing and puffing Shannon Briggs / Oleg Maskaev to gain a belt over mediocre opponents while being mediocre heavyweights themselves. This is the same division that allowed not one, but TWO former middleweights to move up in weight.


And one last observation about your comments about Tyson. I'm not referring to the shell of a Tyson post prison that fought Lewis, McBride, and Williams when it was obvious his skill and will rusted beyond repair (especially by the time he started fighting over 230+ lbs). Tyson during his peak was one of the fastest, hardest hitting heavyweights of all time with great defense that is universally recognized, even if not by yourself. Losing to Douglas was more a testament to his lack of focus, and the prison time for 4 years didn't help either.

I don't know what your incoherent rambling is about, but it's quite obvious what your agenda is. Funny enough, you cannot see the stupidity of your own posts. My arguments are directly tied to your insuance that Eastern European fighters are on par to heavyweights of yesteryear when haven't proved it at all. You are too obtuse to realize I'm not only referring to American heavyweights.

Perhaps you should take a look at David Tua vs Ike Ibeachia? I have no doubts the two fighters from that era would mop up the belt holders today, including Wladimir Klitschko.

 

He took a pretty good punch against Peter didn't he idiot? And you have serious problems if you think Tony Tucker or Ike Ieabuchi would walk right through Klitschko.

 

Welcome to the nanny state. Boxing is too dangerous and crude. By covering the folk that are trying to keep boxing alive, traditional journalists are 'enabling' a barbaric and testosterone-driven (God forbid) endeavour. Therefore they shun it or risk being labeled 'less-than-enlightened' and politically incorrect. Can't mix it up if you're supposed to be living in a fear-of-liability inspired, antiseptic, safety bubble, now can you?

 

The "Next Great American Heavyweight" is playing middle linebacker or power forward right now for far more money than they would make as a boxer...

 

the next great non american light welter/welterweight/light middleweight/middleweight/light heavy/cruiserweight is playing winger/center midfield/forward/center back /in goal for far more money than they would make as a boxer.