Is an Olympic pedigree overrated in boxing?

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  1. fcb1068

    fcb1068 Member Full Member

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    It all started with HBO hyping professional boxers who had an amateur pedigree, especially in the Olympics. Kovalev, Golovkin, and Lomachenko. All have shown an inability to adjust when an opponent takes them out of their comfort zone. Let's not forget Gold medal AJ too. This goes back to even Wlad, another Gold medalist who struggled mightily and lost several times before Emmanuel Steward saved his career. We boxing fans should stop getting tricked into believing these amateur boxers with hundreds of fights are future ATG level pro boxers.

    Right now the vast majority of boxing champions and top pound for pound boxers do not have a great amateur pedigree. Inoue, Canelo, Jermell Charlo, Spence, etc. None of them did anything in the amateurs, and Canelo even started his pro career at 16 years old, so he barely had an amateur career.

    I've heard people say that if it wasn't for the Soviet Union preventing their amateur boxers from going pro, that the USA would not have dominated boxing for so long. We're seeing now that's not true, if that wasn't already shown by the Cubans' inability to be consistent world champions in boxing. Who knows, maybe one day one of these Cuban heavyweights with 100+ amateur bouts will become the first heavyweight boxing champion from Cuba. Meanwhile people like Fury who did nothing noteworthy in the amateurs become heavyweight boxing champions without having a 100+ amateur boxing career under their belt.
     
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  2. fistsof steel

    fistsof steel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No some Maybe but the Elite Shine through.!!!
     
  3. chacal

    chacal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It gives an importatnt hint.

    Being a top amateur, even a good hint to spot top pro fighters, guarantees nothing. Though.

    But I think we all know that in this forum.

    EDIT: If you are talking about lomo, lomo is a top pro too, btw. Incredibly good pro fighter too. Campbel on the other hand, is not.
     
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  4. Pimp C

    Pimp C F 12 Stay Dangerous Full Member

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    I think a amateur back ground can help but it doesn't mean you're going to be the second coming either.
     
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  5. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Technical Support Full Member

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    Did you forget that Golovkin and Kovalev were victims of A side BS and corruption? And you are dismissing Loma because of a loss against a talented younger fighter? How many great fighters have losses on their record?
     
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  6. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A Gold medal is an indication of high level skills, promoters love it because it is a safe buy. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, because they get the Gold Medalists end up getting the best resources. Similar to how an IVY league top of the class guy gets favored and giving more resources over others in the corporate stable.

    The No-Degree boxer who some how becomes an ATG is another subject, in that case he gets all glory to himself...Without any doubts, Undersized Roberto Duran wrecking SRL, Felix Trinidad dirtying the records of 3 Gold Medalists, usually done with brute.

    The modern era is even more open-minded to No-Medal superstars, DLH promoting Canelo to the current level is a good example, is Canelo the real deal or did he benefit of DLH the same way DLH benefitted from the Gold medal (which attracted Bob Arum).
     
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  7. Xplosive

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    Duran beat Leonard with brute, huh?
     
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    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Personality (not the fight), the psychological dent Duran put on SRL is possibly the only time SRL experienced grief-loss. In that sense, BRUTAL to a spoiled talented speedster who got everything handed to him.
     
  9. Eel87

    Eel87 Active Member Full Member

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    If I were starting out, I wouldn't want to have more than say 40 amateur fights. No point taking punches for free.
     
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    sparta Active Member Full Member

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    Stayed too long in the ams, thats all. Pro boxing is a young mans sport.
     
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  11. tinman

    tinman Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If he was weak and lacked power you think he wins?
     
  12. Badbot

    Badbot Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yet Loma, Kovalev, Golovkin and Usyk, Wlad and AJ had great pro runs.
     
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  13. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Lol yeah, it doesn't really prove anything in the pro ranks tbh. Audley Harrison, Luke Campbell, Felix Diaz, Tyrell Biggs, even the GOAT amateur American boxer Howard Davis Jr failed to even win a professional title. There's been numerous other examples, but the pro game is something completely different.
     
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  14. sasto

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    This is it, it's all about risk. If you're an Olympian you've shown commitment to boxing and that you can perform on a big stage.

    So many physically talented people but those two qualities are rare.
     
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    ertwin Active Member Full Member

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    No it is no guarantee for nothing. Out of the 3 best fighters currently imo: canelo, crawford, fury, only one has a very impressive amateur record but was far from winning the olympics.
    Out of the many boxers that medal every 4 years only a very small procent will have great success as a pro. Also there are so many examples with people like martinez or yard that come into the sport super late ,skip any real amateur experience but can still somehow keep up with the best.

    my take as an amateur boxer is, that amateur boxing is simply a sissy sport compared to pro boxing which is partially due to the supposed clean set up that amateur boxing has.
    No holding, no unorthodox punches, no unconventional boxing styles( you can try but many amateur judges will let you lose even if you win). The sport is more of a who can look better like a text book boxer then a real fight.
    I also often experienced that refs try to calm fights down if they start to brawl to extremely but the truth is that thats just the way real boxing is, it cant be always a chess match.
     
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