Is Andre Ward a HOFer ?

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  1. attaboi

    attaboi Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Find me a current boxer with a better resume.
     
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  2. Doc Everlast

    Doc Everlast Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pacquiao. :D
     
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  3. attaboi

    attaboi Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    nice trolling.
     
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  4. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Froch like every other original member of the super 6, except ward agreed to travel or be an away fighter at some point in the competition. As I recall ward wanted his first stage fights at home.
    After the super 6 froch didn't travel after and didn't have to travel as proven with larger live gates than ward has had, which shows you are not correct
     
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  5. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Can't blame Ward for having a superior negotiating team, especially since he was green, unproven, and not highly regarded going into the Super 6.
     
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  6. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    apologist?
    Isn't it ward who has fought some of his old opponents?
    Probably best you don't read as I don't really think you do like dealing with facts
     
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  7. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Not that it would necessarily have made any difference, Ward should have fought outside the US for at least some of his bouts, just as all the other participants did.

    The fact that he didn't has given rise to charges of home crowds (which in some minds, wrongfully equates to home cookin' ) and this has dogged him for a while.

    Combined with the long lay-off, it has prevented him from being as highly regarded as his skills and abilities would otherwise merit.
     
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  8. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Of course he is, but all the golov****s will vote no.
     
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  9. Rumsfeld

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    I don't think it really mattered. He had the first fight at home against Kessler. Then his round 2 opponent dropped out of the tournament and was replaced with Allan Green. Then his round 3 opponent dropped out and he had a non-tournament fight with Bika.

    And the semi-finals and finals were both contractually obligated to be in the US (a point Froch brought up several times, stating he had no problem fighting in the States, because he knew those rounds had to be in the States no matter what).

    So who's the real culprit here?

    I'd say Kessler's subpar team did a bad job negotiating on his behalf, and that Kessler and team grossly underrated Ward and paid the price.

    Again, you can't blame Ward for having a better team than everyone else had, especially when you consider he wasn't some big time favorite going into the tournament.
     
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  10. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    It's close, but I think he makes it. He had the potential to do a lot more but he's just got no ambition except for his bank account now.
     
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  11. Selina

    Selina Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He unified his division 168. Anyone who unifies one division belts should receive the call.
     
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  12. peakbay

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    I don't even like calzaghe but he's got a much better record than ward
     
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  13. DoubleEdge

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    fck andre ward!!
     
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  14. travolt

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    HOFs fight for the fans, not just for themselves.

    The way he fights, the backdoor shenegians, and those he DID'T face doesn't permit him to enter HOF status.

    Beating Froch at home in a closish fight simply isn't enough: give me Stevenson, Kovalev, Betterbiev, GGG, and then we'll talk.
     
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  15. Maggo

    Maggo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How can a run away B!tch be a hall of famer . . he is sh!t! Deal with it.. a coward!
     
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