Is Anthony Joshua more Frank Bruno than Lennox Lewis?

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  1. Boxing125

    Boxing125 Active Member Full Member

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    First of all AJ has not achieved anything yet compared to Frank Bruno as a professional boxer. In terms of the era they were fighting in Frank's was a far stronger era and he only lost to excellent boxers who were all world champions ( James Smith, Tim Witherspoon, Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis)

    In terms of style I see more similarity with Frank than Lennox and this was highlighted even more last night against Whtye. Both look too muscular - good for power in the early rounds not so good for a long fight where stamina is needed. AJ looked as if he was stunned by a good punch - which can happen to any heavyweight - but AJ didnt really recover until about round 4 from that. This fight reminded me a bit of Frank Bruno vs Floyd Cummings where Bruno was first seriously tested and was stunned by a right hand early on and recovered to win in the 7th round. Joshua has a lot to learn about movement and looks too upright and statuesque at times.

    There are still a lot of questions over AJ. I can still see him winning at least one HW title in the next 3 years because he really only has Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and if he gets back to his former level David Haye as serious competition. However, he didnt look unbeatable last night - someone better than Whyte would have had Joshua in real trouble in the 2nd round last night - can you imagine Mike Tyson from the late 1980s fighting Joshua last night? - Joshua would have lost within 2 or 3 rounds. Yet Bruno used to get a lot of stick for not being able to compete with Tyson.
     
  2. channy

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    Neither, he is Anthony Joshua.

    Although he does have the body sculpture of Bruno, maybe even more chiselled, he was more flexible than big Frank i thought last night.

    No comparison can be made whatsoever between him and Lennox, but saying that Lennox learnt his game well very early, and whilst i wouldnt say he struggled early in his career, he did appear at time as ordinary, and then he just got better and better and better, and look what he turned into, a dominating force.

    Has Joshua got the potential to go on to great things? who knows...

    Time will tell.

    People instead of laying criticism of the guy should really take a back step and have a little patience, watch his development, encourage and support the guy, not push and rush for him to get to the top too early.

    Good things come to those that wait.
     
  3. BIGMARK

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    I was actually going to post this. I am a fan of AJ and Bruno always wanting them to do well. Bruno late in his career was far more flexible than early on and if you watch the Oliver Macall fight you will see the similarities except by this stage Bruno was a far more accomplished fighter, AJ would kill for a Bruno like jab
     
  4. Doppleganger

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    He's more Bruno than Lewis at this stage, although he share some similarities with Lewis too. He is potentially better than Bruno I feel.

    For one, he is less robotic. Big Frank would fling out the jab, albeit a pole of a weapon, shuffle forward, bend his knees and move his head a little, throw a right hand and then back to the jab and repeat. This worked well against the usual victims and journeymen but fell apart as soon as he was in with a really good fighter, such as Tim Witherspoon. AJ is more mobile, quicker on his feet and a more natural fighter but lacks the jab and head movement that Bruno had. This can come on in time and with more experience.

    Going by Saturday's fight, AJ seems to have better recovery skills than Bruno. When Frank got nailed by Jumbo Cummings at the end of round 1, the big man was in dire straights, doing a drunken jive out on his feet and was extremely lucky that the bell went seconds later. Had it not down so, there's no question that Bruno would have been stopped. AJ got hit by a big left hook from Whyte and although he was hurt he was able to at least move away and try and defend himself whereas big Frank was utterly defenceless and a flick from 'Arry Carpenter would have knocked him over.

    This was Joshua's first proper fight and if he applies the things learned in the fight and takes his time he'll be a lot closer to Lewis in the end.
     
  5. TBooze

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    It sort of reminded me of the Bombers fight with Jumbo. But the big difference is Joshua's power seems more explosive than Frank's clubbing power. Also watch Lewis' early fights, he looked rather robotic too.
     
  6. On The Money

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    I do not think he is going to be as good as Lewis. He's got serious competition out there that could stop him in his tracks, Whyte was not a million miles away from doing just that.
     
  7. Ilesey

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    He just isn't as good as Lewis.
     
  8. scuzza

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    I guess he needs to be knocked out twice by average fighters in order to be considered as good as Lewis... :)
     
  9. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Those were title fights at least, and the dudes were mandatory's so earned it.
     
  10. jaymon112

    jaymon112 MARVELOUS Full Member

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    Bruno had a better Jab.
     
  11. scuzza

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    doesn't matter if they were fighting for a belt a not, fact is, as it stand Joshua has not been off his feet as a pro, until such time as he does he 'potentially' is every bit a good if not better than 'knocked out twice' Lennox Lewis
     
  12. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, Bruno had an awesome ramrod jab when 'on his game'. No sneaking points with that jab; indeed it was what flattened old Chuck Gardner.
     
  13. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Joshua doesn't really fight behind a jab, he prefers to load up on power shots, it's what comes from fighting lower tier guys you can blast out. It's definitely a flaw in my view.
     
  14. PRETTYBOYFLOYD.

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    One thing that would worry me about AJ that nobody seems to have picked up on was how he seemed to be extremely vulnerable to body shots. One in particular in round 2 actually made him drop his hands and take a deep breath.

    I was wondering why Whyte didn't throw more to the body afterwards but Jonathon Banks basically said in his ifl interview that some sort of injury was preventing him from doing so.

    That 8 pack clearly doesn't provide much protection! Other heavyweights will no doubt be able to capitalise on this. Not that many heavyweights even throw body shots these days....
     
  15. lefthook82

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    I noticed that Prettyboy. Very easy to get to downstairs and Whyte threw a few meaty ones