Is being Undefeated Overrated? Glen Johnson believe's so.

I'm with 'eem on this.

 

I think you're totally missing what Glen really means. What he means is that are many fighters who are matched solely for the purpose of not losing. They're not fighting the best to see where they truly stand and to make a case for being a contender. Anyone can say they are but you need the wins and performances to prove it.

I love how he pretty much summed up what I've been saying about Mayweather: He's highly skilled and capable but is leaving much to be desired by his selection of competition. You can't truly claim to be the best without beating the best.

I respect journeyman that fight anyone and take a few loses in the process than overprotected fighters who don't prove where they truly stand against meaningful competition.

 

U have the nerve to call PBF a fraud/Coward??

and then dont say anything about Calzaghe??

It just doesnt make sense :huh

 

spot on dude:good

 

Being undefeated is a little bit overrated, but is great for television networks and promoters.

Still there is no denying that seeing a boxer lose for the first time is very impressive sometimes (when the undefeated boxer is very famous of course), i.e Tito/Hopkins, Khan/Presscot, Ortiz/Maidana, Cotto/Margarito, Pavlik/Hopkins, Pavlik/Taylor, Linares/Salgado....etc.
...especially the ones that get KTFO like Linares and Khan, just to name a few.

 

This "Calzaghe never beat an ATG in their prime" argument makes me laugh.

Take away the guys who beat Oscar De La Hoya at 147/154 and name me a fighter who has beaten an ATG in their prime in the last 10 years. You've got Jones Jr beating Hopkins and Toney but was that really their primes?

I'd argue the Hopkins that fought Jones Jr was lesser as a fighter than the Hopkins that fought Joe Calzaghe.

As for Kessler, guy is the best in his division following being beaten handily by the previous best, should show you how good Calzaghe was, being that he's the only fighter in recent memory to completely clean out his division, take all four belts and do so without ever having lost.

 

Being undefeated more than likely means you never challenged yourself.
How many greats were undefeated? One maybe?

Also I am sick of fighters losing one fight and everyone wants to write them off. I guess you can't lose anymore. B/S.

 

I'll give you that - although that's a Vitali who struggled to fight many times after that owing to injuries in his knee and shoulder, you could argue the injuries took away Vitali's prime.

The point I'm making is, if being an ATG means beating prime ATG fighters, no one has really done it.

Hopkins wasn't seen as an ATG until 10 years after his loss to Jones Jr

Toney is arguably not an ATG, owing to his losses over the years, it's only the fact that he went up to HW that he's talked of as such.

Who's had the better career? Toney or Calzaghe? Take into account Toney lost to the major threats in his time and also arguably lost to Mike McCallum at a point in McCallum's career where he was starting to get beat regularly.

 

glen johnson is a wise elderley jamaican gentleman.

 

Being undefeated with the name "Joe Mesi" - yes.

Being undefeated when you're Floyd or Calzaghe - no. They've fought P4P talent, Top 10 in their division talent and have both gone into fights as underdogs.

Joan Guzman is a guy I can say "Undefeated, but not against the greats"

Say what you want about the state of Eubank, Calzaghe facing him as a green fighter for the title at 168, a division Eubank ruled, is very much in the same boat as the Tszyu/Hatton, Hernandez/Mayweather Jr league of things.

 

:happy EXACTLY! Decades ago, a fighter with defeats was seasoned and fought some folks. Nowadays once they lose they were overrated, overhyped and garbage. People need to stop with the hyperbole bull****. :roll:

 

He's right. Of course, my top three p4p fighters have all been defeated several times. Of course they were all coming in at around 200 fights but, you know.

 

Glen Johnson is an Uncle Tom.

- Floyd "Money" Mayweather.

 

Glen is no Uncle Tom he is an honest boxer with talent that occasionally let him self down at times with some of his below par performances.

Did Floyd really say that about Glen?

 

its definately overrated. nice and flashy, but really nothing to it. Sometimes being undefeated is a matter of having one judge or another on that night, or not fighting the best opponents.