Is Bernard Hopkins a top 30 All-Time Great

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  1. The Phenom

    The Phenom Pretty Handsome Full Member

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    In all seriousness suggesting that if Duran lasted the distance and lost all 15 rounds to Hagler would be an'astonishing achievement' was a very bad point.
     
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  2. Sweet Pea

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    He's in the top 50, definitely not top 30 though.
     
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  3. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Way to save yourself. Just reiterate your opinions on one point when he calls you out for cherry-picking it. You're one hell of a debater.
     
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  4. McGrain

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    I stand by it.

    Napoles steps up from Welter to fight an ATG Middle, gets smashed up, stopped.

    Trinidad steps up from Welter to fight an ATG Middle, gets dominated, stopped.

    Duran comes all the way up from Light to fight an ATG middle, hears the final bell. Even if he doesn't win a round he would need astonishing skill to do this.

    In all seriosness, your point about Hopkins being a top 30 all time fighter without providing a list is lame.
     
    McGrain, Nov 12, 2008
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  5. King Dan

    King Dan Golovkin Full Member

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    Top 50.

    Here are some guys, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AND IN NO ORDER, higher than B Hop:

    Ali
    Armstrong
    Louis
    Greb
    Robinson
    Tunney
    Dempsey
    Ray Leonard
    Arguello
    Sanchez
    Gomez
    Pep
    Duran
    Benny Leonard
    Whitaker
    Monzon
    Saddler
    Hagler
    Chavez
    Jofre
    Foreman
    Barney Ross
    Holyfield
    Ike Williams
    Marciano
    Emile Griffith
    Joe Frazier
     
    King Dan, Nov 12, 2008
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  6. The Phenom

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    Foreman,Holyfield,Arguello,Sanchez,Gomez,Whitaker,Chavez and Hagler all achieved less than Hopkins.
     
    The Phenom, Nov 12, 2008
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  7. Sweet Pea

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    Gomez is the only one I disagree with, perhaps Foreman as well.
     
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  8. Sweet Pea

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    You're done.
     
    Sweet Pea, Nov 12, 2008
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  9. DINAMITA

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    I disagree, but we are going round in circles here. Hearns has multiple weight achievements and a marginally better resume, Hopkins dominated one weight, became an ATG there to a standard Hearns never reached at any weight, and was a more skilled fighter IMO. For me it's very close, but I believe Hopkins should rank slightly higher.
     
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  10. The Phenom

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    I recall you saying Whitaker was the tenth best fighter of all time.Isn't that worse than saying Hopkins is top 30.
     
    The Phenom, Nov 12, 2008
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  11. DINAMITA

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    Hopkins comfortably belongs in the same tier or grouping as Frazier, Marciano, Holyfield, Chavez, Hagler, Saddler, Dempsey, Ike Williams and Sanchez IMO.

    I would have him above Foreman and Gomez.
     
    DINAMITA, Nov 12, 2008
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  12. Sweet Pea

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    I rate Whitaker #17. Ring Magazine had him ranked #10 of the last 80 years.

    I didn't even comment on your Hopkins placing overall, I commented on your incorrect statement regarding his comparison to those fighters.
     
    Sweet Pea, Nov 12, 2008
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  13. DINAMITA

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    What's your opinion on the Hopkins-Hearns question Pea?
     
    DINAMITA, Nov 12, 2008
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  14. The Phenom

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    No doubt that he is above Sanchez and Holyfield aswell.Sanchez' resume is nowhere near as thick or impressive as Hopkins' is.Sanchez best win over Gomez was a closer fight than Hopkins-Trinidad and Gomez was also moving up in weight.At best those two wins are equal.
     
    The Phenom, Nov 12, 2008
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  15. DINAMITA

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    I agree. I have Hopkins over Sanchez and Holyfield too. And Hagler and Marciano.
     
    DINAMITA, Nov 12, 2008
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