Is Bhop the best middle weight ever?

No.

Monzon & Hagler are ahead of him.

Hopkins does not have enough on his resume AT 160 to surpass both fighters.

 

No.

Pavlik has been grossly overrated on here for quite some time. I had cautiously predicted a close but clear UD for Hopkins - but didn't anticipate the ease at which he totally disarmed Pavlik.

The following are ahead.....

Ray Robinson
Marvin Hagler
Ray Leonard - could be said Ray was a welter
Tommy Hearns - ditto
Roy Jones

Plus a few others.

Hopkins would play with Toney though.

 

Look at Hopkins wins at 160. No way is he ahead of Hagler or Monzon.

 

no .....
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above Sugar Ray Robinson??

definitely not....

 

Top 5.

 

I have to agree with that. Pavlik, Winky, Tarver, all fight were north of 160. Fighting Kelly and Ronald back at 160 would've changed his MW resume, but all happened at LHW. But that won't affect his ATG place... just his legacy is parted to multiple divisions just like Jones' and other legends'.

 

yeah but a large part of robinsons carrer was as welter leonards was to even hearns was welter and then alot higher then middle hearns leonard 2 was at super middle then theres roy where more than half his fights are at smw or higher so as far as pure middle weights hop's is ranked higher than at least jones leonard an hearns imo

 

Hagler would beat Hopkins up. Hagler was a beast, old school.

 

Monzon and Hagler's MW resumes both eclipse Hopkins's easily. P4P would be a better argument as you can take into account work outside of MW.

 

He's definitely in the top two. You can interchange him, Hagler, and Monzon wherever you'd like.

I rank him a pinch ahead of Monzon and about tied with Hagler. Also note, though, that some of Hopkins' best wins have been above 160...so I tend to put Hagler above him.

Hagler and Hopkins, though, are two of the greatest fighters who ever lived. I tend to put hagler in my top 10 ATG's. Hopkins is probably top 15-25 at this point.

 

No his middleweight reign was pretty weak if you ask me. He has the longevity and the record defenses but the competition was very very weak. His accomplisments after leaving the division have been more impressive.

 

1 hagler
2 monzon
3 b-hop

 

How can you have Hopkins in a near tie at middleweight with Hagler but well below him has an ATG? If you have them close at middleweight then surely Hopkins work outside 160 should put him above Hagler who did nothing outside 160 when you are talking ATG?