Is Bob Fitzsimmons the greatest cruiserweight ever?

He's not even close to McCline's ability. Jameel beat Briggs, Whitaker, Grant, Cole and Shufford. There is no one on Dunkhorst's win tally who comes close to these guys, who were all either belt holders or fought for a belt, let alone is there the depth of said quality wins. Not even in the same stratosphere.

Dunkhorst is every Classicists favorite fighter to try to draw parallels between today's dreadnaught heavies and the abilities of the smaller heavies of the turn of century. That is the only reason his name ever comes up in these threads.

 

To me, "Holy & Qawi" are the greatest dude's to ever hold crowns at 190 pounds, with Carlos DeLeon being right behind them guys....

Bobby Fitz of 1897 would have his hands full with either of them dude's in a time machine.....

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I hope you don't truly believe these things. A 38 year old, 5 foot 10 heavyweight who there is not footage of is provenly better than modern Goliath's who were in their 20's and are verified as true powerbrokers and challenged for the belt? Please. Ruhlin is getting closer but Dunkhorst lost.

Armstrong should be disqualified for the fact that he lost to Dunkhorst. I think they would be rated so high in these parts due to the fact they were born in the 19th century.

 

I am 6-2, 220. Does that raise my rank in the heavyweight annals?

I am well familiar with Armstrong. He is a name that is bantered around in all the books as an alsoran and in the end he lost almost as much as he won. He was entirely a trialhorse and just does not carry the credentials that Briggs or even Grant do. They reached the dance. Sorry. Just being in the ring with a 10 fight Jim Jeffries (a guy who for all his size and strength got beat up by various midgets before putting them away) does little to impress me.

Goddard was an inconsistent drunk. Choynski was a light heavy who's backside found the canvas often. Do you really think freeswinging light heavies like Goddard or Choynski would have any chance head to head against even Michael Grant, who for all his faults was actually trained well, has legit big man power and has only been felled by other giants?

I'm not trying to be disrespectful but these names are not new to me, nor to most in these parts, and of all I have read (cuz none of us has seen) there are just major flaws here. I understand the different conditions of those days, the ND fights... all of it, but sometimes these guys really are just average fighters despite the rose-tinged sentimentally for yesteryear.

Back to the main point, Jameel McCline acheived far more in the sport than Ed Dunkhorst. It's not even close. Arguing that because he had one fight where he was competitive with one guy who at another time survived in the ring with the champ for 10 rounds does not equal actually beating 4 heavyweight title challengers. And to further insist that fighters no one alive has seen, and who generally ran about the light heavy or cruiser limit, would without doubt share in a heavyweight title over the past 30 years is pure fantasy.

 

I'm all for the Cruiserweight division being instated by the WBC originally in 1979 with Marvin Camel being the first official champ.... I have never seen Camel fight before....

190 was a good weight 30 yrs ago, and 200 seems fair today... no complaints, but I wish the talent and credit there would increase in 2011....

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Langford lost to ,and had 4 draws with LH Vy Jeff Clark, when he himself was scaling in the 190's.