Is boxing ability primarily genetic, developed through training, or merely the butterfly effect?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by cross_trainer, Sep 25, 2021.


  1. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    One only needs to look at Thailands population of ATG Muay Thai guys to see how much having boxing as a national sport could effect the game.
     
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  2. Pat M

    Pat M Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You're right again, some of the relatives I've seen training sons, nephews, etc. are not good technical trainers. Most of them aren't somebody that you'd send a fighter to, but they are effective with their relatives. Boxers need to know that somebody cares about them because there are plenty of people they'll run into who will only care about them as long as they can use them. Managers and some trainers are extremely "brave." Their fighters can take a lot of punishment and it doesn't hurt the manager or trainer.

    We had one trainer bring some fighters to the gym to spar with our guys and the trainer put one of his guys in who was over matched. My guy knocked him down twice and the guy was obviously hurt, I stopped it. The other trainer said "you should have let your fighter kill him, I wasn't going to stop it." That fighter never boxed again and who could blame him? My fighters heard that trainer and they wouldn't fight for that guy regardless of how much money was offered. A fighter will give more if he knows that he has somebody who will stop the fight when he sees that his fighter has too much heart for his own good.
     
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  3. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Your comment about the inexperienced relative who cares enough about the fighter reminds me a bit of Brock's dad training him from Kenny Weldon tapes after Brock started to rack up amateur losses. And it worked, too...

    Also, that story about the worthless trainer is absolutely stunning. Who the **** would want to train from a guy who's going to let you get killed? Holy crap.
     
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  4. Pat M

    Pat M Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't think the other trainer meant that literally, but he should have stopped it, probably after the first knockdown. His fighter was trying, but didn't have the skills/experience yet to compete with the guy we had. I don't think he wanted the guy to get hurt bad or killed, the other trainer just meant he'd let him get beat to the point where he'd see how much heart he had, but that was too far IMO. A fighter needs somebody to take care of him, especially when he has traveled for 2 hours and doesn't know anyone. The trainer himself had been thrown to the wolves in his pro career and he is one of the type that believes in "testing" a newcomer's heart before he spends much time working with him. I don't believe in that, but there are quite a few who do.
     
  5. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Yeah, I figured you were speaking figuratively. But still, that's kind of screwed up. As a learning experience for a professional or high level amateur I can more or less understand (teaching how to deal with adversity, etc.), but not as a meat grinder to weed out the weak.

    I mean, presumably the coach is getting paid for his services at some level by the fighter he's sending in there, too.
     
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  6. mr. magoo

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    I think can anyone can train to box. But to actually be “ good” at it you have to be born with something a little extra.