Is boxing bad self defence sport for short guys?

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  1. Jamaica

    Jamaica New Member Full Member

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    I have been reading this forum a lot past few weeks and it seems boxing is a bit like Basketball, shorter guys are really in a big disadvantage because of the reach difference. Boxing seems very limited too many rules and one dimensional compared to Wrestling/MMA, so its really not that good for self defence especially for shorter guys.

    I think wrestling is better for self defence because in MMA you see short wrestlers/grapplers guys like 5 foot 9 DC cormier and 5 foot 10 Fedor become GOAT at the sport and take out 6 foot 4+ guys. Wrestling seems more dynamic for self defence.
     
  2. ertwin

    ertwin Member Full Member

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    First of fedor is 6 feet. Second of all, if you are talking self defense then boxing is the best sport you can learn for the simple matter that it is easy, realistic and simple. You have 6(10) punches a easy fluent fighting system and a tough sparring, no kata, no technique that you are not allowed to use in fights or any of that bullcrap plain and simple ,the same way a fight is.

    Of course on a whole wrestling/bjj plus a striking art like thai boxing or so it better, but only if you hit the gyms 5-6 times a week and practice for years.
    You can be a very good boxer within 2 years of training with 3 seasons a week.
    Since most guys on the street dont know how to fight, i think boxing is the smarter option.
     
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  3. Boxcel

    Boxcel Member Full Member

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    Learn both boxing and wrestling, but mostly boxing. Wrestle as last resort. Lift weights and get muscular and strong so you can manhandle anyone.
     
  4. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot El gran campeĆ³n Mexicano Full Member

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    pains me to say it but wrassling is a damn good base I know you're just hummping someone but if you can control them you good boxing is good because a fight starts on your feet and a real fight usually just takes one punch
     
  5. Jamaica

    Jamaica New Member Full Member

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    MMA promotions overestimate the guys height lol. Sometimes they change the height every few fights on TV screens. Deep analysis of MMA fans show most likely Fedor is 5 foot 10-11. DC is 5 foot 9
     
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  6. ertwin

    ertwin Member Full Member

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    Ok didnt know that.
     
  7. Lazar

    Lazar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Learning boxing is better than nothing for self-defense obviously.

    However, strictly for self-defense purposes you are better off signing up for a dedicated self-defence class which covers many more variables than just being able to punch effectively.
     
  8. Jamaica

    Jamaica New Member Full Member

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    A lot of these self defence classes, people have high suspicion that they are not legit martial arts . I would rather take boxing than those self defence classes lol. boxing is more legit on average than kung fu, karate etc.
     
  9. iii

    iii Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You're ****ing joking right, here if your daft enough to hang around its either get stabbed or acid in a jar...leave boxing at the gym unless you want to get seriously hurt. I've had 3 mates & 1 cousin stabbed ,none are walking around no more .
     
  10. Glassbrain

    Glassbrain Active Member Full Member

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    Boxing is the best for self-defence fighting as you are able to fight off multiple opponents effectively whilst being able to move away from trouble. Wrestling on the other is excellent against a single opponent however if there's multiple opponents then using wrestling will get you hurt.

    In answer to the question, I don't think height comes into a self-defence situation more than anything else, there's just too many variables in those kind of situations to state that any 1 thing would be a factor. I believe any formal training can help during street fights ect however having the ability to remain composed and actually knowing how to fight (not box or wrestle) is more important.

    I've seen and been in many street fight situations, I've watched a dude who apparently trained for years in judo crumble as soon as he got hit as his fight or flight kicked in and his body failed him. I believe that people who can fight and stay focused under pressure are either born with it or get it very early and is not something that can be trained easily.

    All of this is a moot point however, you can be the toughest dude in the world and make all the right moves however could get cheap shotted by someone and be out without any notice. Boxing, wrestling and MMA are all sports with strict rules, street fights and 'self-defence' situations have no rules and so it's impossible to predict what would be most effective as all of these situations are very individual.

    My advice? If you want to stay safe, the best form of self-defence is just to run.
     
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  11. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    we shouldn't be comparing legitimate sporting events with street fights in a fight there are no rules reach isn't really a big factor in street fights since most of the time it winds up being up close or on the ground I don't think patterns that occur in professional or amateur boxing should dictate how you learn to defend yourself in ordinary fight scenarios given most people that are going to try to fight you in a bar or mug you in the street are not trained and will most likely try to get as close to you as possible

    I think wrestling is extremely important and being more balanced on how to defend yourself and gives you a huge advantage against somebody who doesn't know anything but boxing can't be discounted because all fights start from the feet and I think knowing how to defend a punch and how to deliver a punch are extremely important and having sparring experience and being used to having punches thrown at you or even being able to withstand a blow properly will help you in a situation where you need it
     
  12. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    great post

    really is about picking your battles and not putting yourself in vulnerable situations

    I think the more you are aware of your surroundings and keep your guard up you are more likely to avoid scraps or come out ok. many fights can be avoided by walking away or get broken up quickly if you can fend the other guy off initially
     
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  13. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    On the streets I'd argue that boxing is actually better than wrestling or grappling. Against guys on the street, who usually aren't well trained boxing can do wonders. I've seen many 5'3" to 5'5" put 6'4"+ guys in the ambulance with their boxing skills and you want to avoid grappling in the streets if you can avoid it.

    Also, I wouldn't say a short guy is at a huge disadvantage in basketball or boxing. Just like the taller guy can use his height as an advantage the shorter guys can use their being short as an advantage as well.

    When I tried out for the Clippers many years ago Earl Boykins, who was most likely 5'4" at most was the only guy to make the Clippers when they had open tryouts that year and he earned it. Trying to guard him was a nightmare because he was so low to the ground and trying to dribble past him was asking to get the ball stolen.
     
  14. boxer_toxer

    boxer_toxer New Member Full Member

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    Boxing, punching someone is dangerous. What if your opponent is killed because of your punch? Lots of trouble come afterwards, jail, avenge, you becoming a murderer, etc.

    I would avoid any 1 on 1 confrontation, I would run away or accept the defeat without fighting. There is an old saying "He who runs away, can run away another day" :smile: Sounds like cowardice, but it is smart and effective.
     
  15. Jamaica

    Jamaica New Member Full Member

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    I know there have been many different variables in a street fight. But there has been many cases of thugs attacking students in australia with fists rather than weapons etc.