Is Boxing Dead: Tim Smith (Espn Article)

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  1. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Is boxing really dying?

    By Tim Smith
    Special to ESPN.com
    (Archive)



    Updated: December 18, 2008


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    Just because your pay-per-view fell flat on its face doesn't mean the entire sport of boxing is dead, Joe Calzaghe.


    A few days after Manny Pacquiao defeated Oscar De La Hoya from ring post to ring post at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Joe Calzaghe, the British light heavyweight champion, declared boxing dead.
    Perhaps his view was colored by the fact that his pay-per-view boxing show against Roy Jones at Madison Square Garden in New York on Nov. 15 tanked, making only about 200,000 buys.
    "The numbers of Jones-Calzaghe were deplorable, and they made very little money," said Bob Arum of Top Rank Promotions. "When that happens, you don't blame yourself; you blame the sport. I've done it myself. On the contrary, I don't think [boxing] is dead. It's more vigorous than it's been in a long time."
    Of course, Arum's view is shaped by the fact that he is coming off the most successful boxing event of 2008. The Pacquiao-De La Hoya fight did 1.25 million pay-per-view buys ($70 million in revenue) and was the third-highest-grossing non-heavyweight fight in boxing. And Arum promotes Pacquiao, whose victory over De La Hoya has springboarded him into stardom.
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    Hot off the heels of Manny Pacquiao-Oscar De la Hoya, Top Rank's Bob Arum believes that the boxing business is more vigorous than it's been in a long time.


    Depending upon your circumstance in the industry, boxing is either in a coffin and awaiting burial, on a respirator and awaiting resuscitation or alive and kicking with a bright future in 2009. There are signs of distress and signals of optimism.
    The casino industry in Las Vegas, in the past responsible for multimillion-dollar site fees for boxing events, is slumping. Univision cancelled its boxing program on Telefutura, and ESPN did away with its "Wednesday Night Fights" show, meaning fewer matches will be televised in 2009. But HBO, the premier cable network for boxing, will not shrink its programming calendar and probably will broadcast better matches because there will be fewer pay-per-view shows next year. That change was ushered in because there really are few bankable pay-per-view options. The boxers at the top end of the sport are older, and the younger boxers in the pipeline aren't ready to step up to pay-per-view grossing levels. That problem will plague Golden Boy Promotions because their main inventory consists of Bernard Hopkins, Shane Mosley and Winky Wright on the top side and young boxers such as Daniel Jacobs and Victor Ortiz on the prospect side.
    Ross Greenburg, president of HBO Sports, doesn't believe the demise of De La Hoya means the sport is dead.
    "I'm an eternal optimist. I don't ever count out the sport of boxing. People have been doing it for 100 years," Greenburg said. "The next big superstar in the sport is out there lurking in the shadows. I believe that Manny Pacquiao has launched himself into superstardom. He's shown he doesn't back down from any challenge.
    "Then there's a guy in Las Vegas by the name of Floyd Mayweather Jr. If Floyd decides to come back to the sport, it will be an instant jolt of electricity."
    Greenburg said it will be incumbent upon HBO to start showcasing some of the younger faces in boxing and hope they can carry the sport forward. He mentioned boxers such as Paul Williams, Andre Berto, James Kirkland, Ortiz and Chris Arreola.
    Some of the bigger promoters in the sport have a different view on how to stay afloat in 2009.
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    HBO is banking on younger fighters like Andre Berto to be the next big pay-per-view star.


    Kathy Duva of Main Events, a Totowa, N.J., based company, has shrunk her business, laying off several employees. The chief executive officer of the company said she is going back to basics by promoting locally. She has only one world champion in her company, newly crowned IBF cruiserweight champion Tomasz Adamek, who won the title in a scintillating 12-round split decision against Steve Cunningham at the Prudential Center in Newark, N.J., on Dec. 11.
    It was an unusual venue -- Newark hadn't hosted a world championship boxing match in 60 years -- and it was broadcast on Versus. But the raucous crowd of 5,217 was treated to two explosive championship fights. Joseph Agbeko defended his IBF bantamweight title against William Gonzalez on the undercard, and Adamek dropped Cunningham three times on the way to winning the title.
    "You have to change with the times," Duva said. "There's a book called 'Who Moved the Cheese?' In boxing, we're looking for the cheese. The model we all worked from for the last 30 years is over. You just can't have this hulking overhead and stay in business. It's financially feasible for me to do it with a smaller staff and going back to our roots."
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    Arum said he recognizes the economy is tough, but he won't throw in the towel or go overseas to partner with anyone.
     
  2. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    "The economic downturn can help the sport if people realize there's an economic downturn and adjust accordingly," he said. "With Mosley and [Antonio] Margarito, in the old days, we would have done it in Las Vegas and let the casinos bring in people. But the casinos aren't bringing in people like they used to. We moved it to the Staples Center in Los Angeles and priced the seats right to make it work."
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    When Bob Arum realized Antonio Margarito's fight with Shane Mosley wouldn't do numbers in Las Vegas, he moved the show to Los Angeles.


    Arum was hit hard by Univision's canceling the boxing program on Telefutura. But he is undaunted. He is looking at raising sponsorship money and buying time on network TV to garner greater exposure for his young boxers.
    "I'm making a prediction -- there will be more shows on TV, even without Telefutura, in 2009 than there was in 2008," Arum said. "A lot of people are working on alternatives. There are certain promoters that stand back and say the sky is falling, and others who work on alternatives."
    Lou DiBella of DiBella Entertainment, a New York-based promoter, agrees with Arum that the economic downturn will give those in the industry to make adjustments.
    "I expect to see some guys disappear next year," DiBella said. "2009 should be the last year for guys like Hopkins, Mosley and [Marco Antonio] Barrera. That's the best hope for boxing. It will force people to build some new attractions. People will have to be more creative."
    DiBella runs a monthly boxing show called "Broadway Boxing Series" in New York. He has made an adjustment, but he hasn't back.
    "I'm going to a smaller room. It's not that I'm the savior of the sport by doing this, but it keeps my guys busy, and I'm not losing money," he said.
    In DiBella's view, the big guys in boxing will be fine, but the little guys will be squeezed in this dreadful economy. He said people in the industry have to start looking long-term and start thinking that the economy won't turn around anytime soon.
    "No one is taking a good look at the industry as a whole," he said. "We're still looking at this as if it were as viable as it always was. Most newspapers in the U.S. didn't even have a result from the Pacquiao-De La Hoya fight. The weak economy may actually reinvigorate the industry." Hopkins believes the economic downturn will actually have a positive impact on boxing. "Promoters will have to step up their game because they know they have to in this tough economy," Hopkins said. "They're going to have to take risks with their guys. They can't just cherry-pick opponents to build up a guy's record. Those days are over." Hopkins, a partner with De La Hoya in Golden Boy Promotions, said he can see a few of Golden Boy's top prospects -- Ortiz and Jacobs especially -- being moved along a little sooner and possibly fighting for a championship in late 2009 or early 2010. Hopkins foresees better matches on TV because promoters will scramble for fewer dates and will have to offer their best matchups to compete. "They will have to bring their best show because they know their rival will be right behind them with a good show,'' he said. DiBella doesn't think boxing is dead. He doesn't think it will ever die. "It's been marginalized, and we have to figure out a way to keep it from being minimalized," he said. "I believe boxing is eternal. There has always been people fighting. There were cavemen fighting. It's not going away. It's really at a nadir right now. Maybe that creates some opportunities that weren't there before."
     
  3. T.C.W

    T.C.W Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    fighter are smarter now and know how much money there is in the sport and people like King can't rip them off any more.
     
  4. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    With fights like Dawson/Tarver is it dying. Dawson needs to fight Johnson.
     
  5. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    kings blurb was the best thing of the whole article imo
     
  6. SugarShane_24

    SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member Full Member

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    Boxing has been here for centuries, it has already taken a life of it's own. Like a living being, it will go through times of near-death, then come back stronger than before.


    As long as people know how to punch, boxing will stay alive.
     
  7. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    does it not come across as ironic that the article is from espn who are cutting back its boxing for 2009.

    the truth is boxing tv numbers are going down in america and germany has taken over as the biggest boxing tv audience in the world.

    as don king says , PPV helps the boxers and promoters money wise, but does not give them any new fans or fanbase.
     
  8. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I used to love Tim Smith, but he's lost his fastball as a writer and as a prognosticator. In case you couldn't tell, he isn't a fan of ODLH. Same for Calzaghe. Here's a couple of tidbits about Tim Smith as predictor:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-boxingmailbag072208&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

    Now, to be fair, not many (unlike San Rafael and myself) 'boxing experts' got this pick correct. Fair enough. However, the following pick by Smith may raise a few more eyebrows:

    http://aerialtelly.co.uk/calzaghe-beats-jones.php

    You know how EVERYONE knew Jones was beyond shot? Tim Smith missed that meeting.

    I will give Smith credit for understanding that Vitali Klitschko was going to destroy Sam Peter. That was one of the easiest picks in years. However, Smith whined like a female canine that the fight was made in the first place, apparently unwilling to stop hugging the nuts of the overrated Nigerian:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...samuel_peter_has_heavy_grudge_vs_vitali_.html

    Smith never got around to mentioning that Peter got a BS decision in the original Toney fight, and that he shouldn'tve had the WBC title Vitali took from him in the first place. Just another Smith article.

    After Peter got destroyed, Smith failed to talk about the fight for some time. Weak. If you talk up the fight as a morality play, you're kind of on the hook to discuss the result even if it doesn't go your way.

    So when Tim Smith starts an article off taking shots at Joe Calzaghe about a fight he couldn't even pick correctly, and then goes into ODLH, I feel like I'm watching Mariano Rivera throwing batting practice fastballs at 75 mph. Yes, it's still Tim Smith, but it's kind of sad to see him reduced to such a level.
     
  9. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The opening line basically covers it.

    As much as some experts and die-hards tried to paint it as a big even fight, thanks to a smoke and mirrors job, for most people it was seen as a mis-match and just for the sake of cash. They voted with their remotes and didn't order it in their droves.
     
  10. debaser

    debaser Active Member Full Member

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    No. Calzaghe is a great fighter but man does he talk some ****.
     
  11. Boxing Fanatic

    Boxing Fanatic Loyal Member banned

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    I totally disagree with the Don King part. Because of him, boxing is now becoming huge in Latin America. The D.R., where I live, more and more promoters are creating more boxing shows thanks to Don King's influence. It is a beautiful thing too witness.:bbb
     
  12. EL-MATADOR

    EL-MATADOR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Boxing is not dead. I think we are all proof of that.
     
  13. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    one overhyped fight that doesn't live up to expectations and an economy that is hitting everyone hard so boxing's dead? this has happened so many times already. anybody watch Cinderella Man? it was in the worst possible economic time in America. the only difference i'm seeing now that i don't agree with is that famous Don King phrase "Only in America." sorry don, obviously not only in America. boxing maybe on the brink, but it always comes back. ALWAYS
     
  14. Kostya Zoo

    Kostya Zoo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    See my thoughts are the opposite. I only access a community like this because this is the only place that i can go to talk boxing - none of my friends watch it...and all my coworkers watch is mainstream **** like college football. And anytime I've ever brought up boxing the conversation somehow switches to MMA. If I didn't have internet I'd be completely in the dark about anything boxing. It's not a mainstream sport anymore. Biggest fight of the year gets about 20 seconds on sportscenter.

    I really don't blame Calzaghe for his comments, he's correct. Boxing won't see the mainstream media attention in the U.S. like in the Mike Tyson years and earlier unless some drastic changes are made. And **** Smith and Rafael for trying to **** all over Calzaghe for speaking the truth. Rafael's been all over that comment - I think I've seen a mention of it on ESPN at least 3 or 4 times in the past week. It must be really hard for those guys to swallow the cold hard truth when their livelihood is based on a sport with a dwindling fanbase (in the US, anyways). They try to write it off as though Joe is bitter over lackluster PPV sales. Really?
     
  15. boxingwizard

    boxingwizard Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Here in America boxing just isn't as popular or mainstream as it is in Europe, that is also probably why that article was written.