Is Boxing In Better Hands With Pac as the P4P#1 Than it Was With Mayweather?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by acb, Jul 2, 2008.


  1. champianboxer

    champianboxer Mr Boingo Full Member

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    even though i hate how people are making pacman out to be a boxing god, boxing is in a better position with pac being p4p#1 hands down, he will actualy take chances and put on good exciting matches
     
  2. Silvermags

    Silvermags Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    he'd rather retire than possibly fight miguel cotto.
    make miguel cotto retire and I would not be surprised that
    pbf will return to the ring! :lol:
     
  3. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    Laugh all you want, we'd all laugh at you in return. :yep

    So you've been talking to people who don't follow the sports religiously and learned from them who is marketable or not? :roll: :lol:

    I'm not disputing that PBF is a skilled fighter . . . problem is he is half HYPE. What makes you think that the #1 P4P fighter who doesn't fight the right fights is good for boxing? Real boxing fans will choose a fighter with loses than an undefeated fighter who refuses hard fights and always makes excuses. Hypes and excuses doesn't work forever. How long can he sell big PPV numbers for fighting less skilled fighters?

    At the age of 31 and still undefeated . . . why do you think the guy decided to quit instead of defending his #1 p4p status? :think
     
  4. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    All you said was Mayweather sold more. In all you long posts, thats all you said. If PPV #'s say who's the best for boxing, then it's de la hoya.
     
  5. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

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    :patsch Seriously are you completely brain dead? Do you have any idea how a business works? Do you think a business wastes its time targeting an audience it already knows will buy its product, or do you think it promotes itself to different demographics to earn a larger profits? Ding ding hello McFly anyone home? If you asked somebody randomly on the street who the best boxer in the world was, do you think they would say Pac-man lol? No! mayweather was actually becoming the first boxer since Oscar to reach mainstream popularity, adn thats what boxing needs. Again from a business standpoint, you can continue to live in fairy drop gumball land where marketing doesnt matter and the UCF will never catch boxing in popularity. :nut

    Uhh half hype? Who has a better resume then Floyd in the top 10 P4P. You do realize that he had to earn P4P status dont you? You do realize he had to work harder then other guys to reach that level dont you considering his style? It wasnt handed to him, you do realize he has a 10 year career, not just stretching back to the Baldomir fight dont you?

    And no, he obviously took the right fights. De La Hoya V Mayweather was a fight everyone wanted to see, and it sold accordingly. Hatton V Mayweather was one of the biggest events in boxing history, and biggest since Tito V Hoya and it sold accordingly. You are only mad he didnt fight Cotto. That is the only big fight you were hoping for. When its obvious that anyone whos followed Floyds career knows he was avoied by the likes of Mosley, Hoya, Tszyu, Hatton, and yes even Cotto when he was the young buck. Yet his championship record speaks for itself. 18-0

    Oh ok. Should I like fighters like Margarito. Basically (come forward, throw alot of punches, get beat by C level fighters but hell its exciting isnt it?) Type of guys? Instead of skilled tacticians of the art like Mayweather? Does he hurt your feewings when he throws money at the cameras?

    Probably didnt want to end up like 95% of boxers, broke with braindamage. And felt his career record already made him a lock ATG.
     
  6. Spitbucket

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    Impressive, not even 20 posts and you've already reached full-blown Douchebag status:good
     
  7. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    :huh Where?:?
     
  8. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    Boxing as a business is just part of it . . . it's not everything. Yeah talk to the douch bags like you in the street . . . bottom line these are not real boxing fans . . . people who would give their opinion but won't spend time and money for the sports. :lol:

    Reality check . . . you want to know what real boxing fans feel? Just view the results of the poll in this thread. 121 TO 17? Who's brain dead?

    Why do you think he quit instead of defending his position as the #1 p4p fighter in the planet. :hey

    Probably doesn't want to end up broke with brain dammage? Probably?

    LAME! The truth is . . . he run out of excuses not to fight the dangerous oppositions who has the real chance of beating his ass. PBF knows he is not the real P4P fighter and it's only a matter of time before he'll get exposed. IF PBF view boxing as pure business why would he quit while there are still millions of $$$ that he can earn and collect? Is that how business works?

    Now you watch your mouth or I'll ****i'n stuff all your shits into your throat shithead. Don't start up with me . . . you don't ****i'n know what your asking for . . . boiii.

    :deal
     
  9. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

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    Ok its now unchallenged, you are an abject buffoon. You need to get Floyds **** out of your mouth. You have managed to turn a discussion that wasnt really about Floyd but having characters promoting the sport of boxing to a wider market into another discussion about his legacy. Lets try and stay on point shall we? I know your condition wont allow you to stay focused for long, but take those pills your momma got for you and try and stay focused.

    I should be getting paid for the amount of promotion I've been trying to give to people about the Margarito/Cotto fight, yet nobody cares. Even my Mexican friends really by and large dont care, thats how far boxing has fallen off the map. With Manny Pac promoting the sport :rofl the stock should certainly rise, I predict many many ESPN segments dedicated to the Pacman. :dead :dead

    He was already $40,000,000 richer off the 2 biggest fights this century in Hatton and De La Hoya. And as I said, his record is already ATG worthy, many having him in the top 30, his legacy if he stays retired which is unlikely will rise as time goes by, given his rather loaded resume compared to many other fighters today.
     
  10. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    You can always tell when a poster has little to say by taking the insults out of his post to distill his message-- here is whats left of yours, and to be honest if this was my bottom line I would be insulting people too. In the future, when that doesn't work, throw in some emotions-- it works for some guys around here.

    Now on to your post. Floyd broke into the mainstream at the end of his career due to two big fights. Props to him for that, but the real truth of his career was that he struggled to captivate the general public or solicit the imagination of non boxing purists. If you watch some of his tapes, you will hear Lampley and Merchant make reference to the low numbers in attendance-- even in huge fights (Corrales) and in his home town.

    The numbers of his PPV's also confirm this, he didn't break 400K's until the DLH fight. Manny has comparable #'s at a smaller weight class and he is just arriving as the sports icon.

    Your second ridiculous comment is that the average American can relate to Floyd Mayweather Jr., or the charachter he portrays. And again, this gets back to the assertion-- really the only one made by Floyd fans in this thread-- that these antics lead to more more PPV's and more PPV's are better for the sport. This is as shallow as it is short sighted.

    I will try to help you in simple language with this. Just as important as how many burgers a fast food chain sells, is how many people enjoy the burgers they buy. If you want to talk about the average fan, I will tell you that the average fan was let down by the DLH performance. The average fan also will buy into Floyd and Roger's antics for a few fights, like it will buy into other medians of entertainment value for a while before moving on.

    What keeps boxing, or any business alive as a mainstay in the general public, is substance and quality, not flash in the pan promotions and hype. These help a business perk at importants points or gain attention, but if left to this mechanisim, it won't mantain success. And this is exactly why when Floyd backed away from the Cotto fight, and degraded his selling power, even the general public and media started to become savvy and ask for the substance behind the hype. Floyd didn't give it to them, maybe Manny will though. His track record suggests that he will want to do so.
     
  11. Symphenyceo

    Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  12. DINAMITA

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    Simple answer too. Better with a guy as no1 who actually wants to fight other guys and prove his greatness instead of poncing around at WrestleMania and blabbering on about money all the time.
     
  13. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    As in is this a better representative of the sport?

    Where you been anyways, man?
     
  14. Alo2006

    Alo2006 R.I.P Sean Taylor Full Member

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    Good points made. People really don't watch fighters in lower weight class than WW.
     
  15. Alo2006

    Alo2006 R.I.P Sean Taylor Full Member

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    Exactly, lets keep it real.