Is Boxing In Better Hands With Pac as the P4P#1 Than it Was With Mayweather?

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  1. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    W/o Floyd headling his own show, you'll never know. How many PPV buys did he sell on his own before DLH? Or w/ Gatti, since he was the seller as well?

    Now I'm not saying Mayweather didn't help, but we all know who the meal ticket was for Mayweather's biggest fights.
     
  2. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    :huh Do you realize most casuals didn't know who Mayweather was till a few years ago as well.

    IF you actually don't think he'll have a mega fight that sparks interest, then you're whole argument here is bull****. Basically, you're only in this thread to protect Mayweather.

    Pac vs. Hatton would be huge. And they probably wpuls have a 24/7 for that.
     
  3. lenin

    lenin what the **** you say? Full Member

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    in 2 and a half years mayweather had 5 PPV fights

    gatti, judah, baldo, hoya, hatton.

    if floyd stayed in the game he'd keep rackin up mega fights and making noise. although I like pac, it's obvious he's NOT a draw like floyd was and its very unlikely that he will be one in the future(at least in the west).
     
  4. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    What were Mayweather's #'s w/ Judah and Baldomir. Anyone? The only of those 5 where Mayweather was the actual seller.

    You keep saying it's unlikely he'll be a draw...but what does this mean? "it's obvious he's a draw like floyd was and its very unlikely that he will be one in the future", you say Pac is a draw like Floyd, but unlikley he'll be one in the future? :huh

    Either way, if you don't think he'll be a draw, what can you possibly be basing that on? He's already been selling in the 200K - 300K in the US. If you've paied attention, that's roughly equal to Mayweather's non-meal ticket fights.
     
  5. lenin

    lenin what the **** you say? Full Member

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    let me break it down for you
    floyd:
    -2005: most casual fans dont know who he is
    -2007: 5 PPV fights, well know athlete, boxing superstart
    Pac:
    -2005: most casual fanst dont know who he is
    -2008: few PPV fights, still most casual fans dont know who he is

    would pac/hatton be bigger than cotto/margo? doubt it. do you see them doing a 24/7 for cotto/margarito?
     
  6. lenin

    lenin what the **** you say? Full Member

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    typo: NOT a draw
     
  7. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    What did yo think you were breaking down :huh

    Well, first of all, Pac vs. Hatton isn't even a guarantee. What's the point of you saying what it will and will not do anyway? It's just your speculation.

    On a worldwide scale though, YES, Pac vs. Hatton probably kills Cotto vs. Margarito. Pac and Hatton are huge at home. Bigger then either Cotto or Margarito here in the US or their home countries.
     
  8. Lance_Uppercut

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    And??? Try comparing Mayweather's PPV buys when he sells alone. A draw is someone who can sell a show by themselves. Not when there's a hugely marketable opponents who's already got a built in fanbase. A draw can sell big against a bum. Has Mayweather even done that? Closest is Baldomir. How many buys did that do?
     
  9. lenin

    lenin what the **** you say? Full Member

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    wtf? when has Pac sold big alone?

    pacs PPV fight with big names still dont touch mayweather numbers

    oh yeah, and shame on Floyd for not having PPV fights with bums :tired
     
  10. lenin

    lenin what the **** you say? Full Member

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    look, we can be arguing about this all night but i have an accounting final in the morning.

    the buttom line is: Pac is not a draw like floyd was or ever will be. Floyd was on top of the boxing world and a well know athlete, if he stayed in the game he would have more mega fights. so is boxing better now that floyd retired and pac takes his spot as the P4P #1? no. good night.
     
  11. Lance_Uppercut

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    I don't know all his PPV #'s, so I can't say. But I'm pretty sure Pac has not sold big all alone mainly because he's been fighting mainly pretty good fighters who were well known opponents for years.

    Dude...if you have no clue on Mayweather's #'s when he sold alone, just at least say it. Since you can't even make a valid comparison w/ PPV #'s, what's the point? Obviously Mayweather has an advantage in overall #'s. I'm not arguing that. What I am saying is Mayweather was able to look like a major seller because of two fights. What I am asking you how he sold in his other fights. I'm asking becuase I don't know. Do you know how many buys he sold vs. Judah or Baldomir?
     
  12. Spitbucket

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    Pac could sell tickets to his sparring sessions while FLoyd couldn't even get fans to come watch him in his own home town!

    And you'll continue to argue that Floyd was the bigger draw!

    You're a clown!
     
  13. Marc

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    Baldo, 325k if I remember correctly.

    Judah was 350k, but I also read updates of up to 375k. Somewhere along those figures.

    Pac sold less than expected in the Barrera rematch, although he picked it up a notch against Marquez.
     
  14. walk with me

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    it depends how you look at it...

    for the excitement and simple goodness of boxing
    pacs probably better... nicer guy and more fan friendly style

    if your talking about dollars
    probably floyd
     
  15. Marc

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    Because it's true.