Is Broner going to be the man in a weight division soon?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by bailey, Jul 14, 2013.


  1. Daruf

    Daruf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Always makes me laugh to see there are still people believing there are any professional athletes / fitness models / bodybuilders etc etc pretty much anyone who makes their money of their physique or athletic performance that is not on peds.

    Its like a grown man still believing in santa.
     
  2. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    It's shocking, really...
     
  3. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    That's an understandable statement to make if you're American, other countries believe in morals, fairplay, and sportsmanship.
     
  4. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    This truly is one of the more stupid comparisons between two fighters that I've ever seen on any site.
     
  5. pecho26

    pecho26 ESB Lurker Full Member

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    Neil Campbell,David McCan,Billy Turley,Ijah Anderson,Chris Armstrong,Paul Edwards,Lisa Kehler,Mark -Lewis Francis,Jason Livingstone,Colin MacCkenzie,Carl Myerscough,Christine Ijeoma Ohuruogu, Callum Priestley,Solomon Ariso,Mark Ashton Richardson, Janine Whitlock,Douglas Walker.
    This is the SHORT list of doped up Britt athletes for example.
    Morals,fairplay and sportsmanship you say?
    They are all doped up no matter if you are from Usa or Madagascar.
     
  6. Momus

    Momus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To be fair, while I agree with the sentiment, that is a thoroughly shitty list. Armstrong and Lewis-Francis tested positive for cannabis, Allen was cocaine, Ohuruogu was for missed drugs tests, Wariso was a minor supplement, etc etc.

    Strange that you picked a list including recreational and minor doping offences, when there's obvious high-profile cases like Chambers and Millar that could have been used :huh
     
  7. Daruf

    Daruf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No country believes that.
    Seeing as they are ALL on PEDs or else you won't make it to the pro levels it doesn't matter.
    I actually could not care less and i do not view it as cheating seeing as they are all doing it, its simply a level playing field.

    What does annoy me is that everybody still lies about it so people that aspire to become a pro athlete stick many years into their dream to find out they HAVE to use it to get to that level.
    At which point they already invested too much time to not do it.

    Drug testing is a giant farce anyway seeing how easy it is to pass even olympic style drug testing, you only get caught if you overdo it or you **** up your timing.

    Oh and im Dutch not American, im just not that naieve.
     
  8. pecho26

    pecho26 ESB Lurker Full Member

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    Everybody knows about Chambers and Millar i just wanted to prove something.
    It doesnt matter m8,i dont give a **** who is on what.They are all juiced to the gills.
    Cannabis,cocaine are on the banned list arent they?And if someone missed the drug test,they missed it for a reason.
    They rip Roy here cause of Ripped fuel.I mean....
    Everybody is on some ****ing schedule on ESB.
     
  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I have missed you're hilarious threads, such as this one, where you're trying to ridicule Roy, while trying to hype up Joseph at the same time.

    But you've failed again!

    The only reason why Joe was the MAN at 168, was because he stayed there for 14 years (while struggling to make weight for the last 4) and didn't move up and test himself at 175.

    When you have the talent that Joe had, that is NOT a great achievement!

    Anybody who was great who spent 14 years in a division, should be the MAN!

    He waited TEN years to unify, because he couldn't get the Ottke fight. When Roy had beaten Toney, and couldn't get the Benn and Liles fights to unify, he dropped the belt and moved up and dominated at 175.

    Joe had the same choice as Roy, but decided to STAY!

    Once again, you haven't allowed for circumstances.

    Winning titles in different weight classes, is a BIGGER achievement that dominating a weak division.

    Joe eventually became the man at 168 by beating Kessler in 2007. Who had Kessler beaten at that point? Andrade, Beyer, Mundine.

    Joe's biggest win was a disputed win against a 43 year old Hopkins, who had to cheat because he'd ran out of gas.

    Roy beat a 28 year old Hopkins, at 24 with a hairline fracture of his right wrist, and Hopkins didn't go on to lose for another 12 years.

    How was DM the man at 175?

    He'd beaten Hill on points for the WBA and the IBF titles and was wrongfully stripped. But Roy had the WBC, and he crushed Hill in just 4 rounds, he iced Griffin in one, he easily beat Reggie Johnson, he beat Harmon and Hall more convincingly, he beat Harding, he beat Tarver at 34, after 50 fights, after coming back from HW, and he easily beat Gonzalez who went onto beat DM.

    Their 175 resumes aren't even close!

    Roy was clearly the MAN at 175!

    Also, DM never wanted to fight Roy. I've showed you sufficient evidence that support that fact, yet you continue to ignore it.

    Why didn't Joe move up to 175, and challenge DM?

    Roy's accomplishments, his ability and his resume, absolutely annihilate Joe's.

    There's no point answering the actual question regarding Broner, because you're not in the least bit interested.

    You've just used his name to try and disguise what your actual intentions are. Which again, is to ridicule Roy, and to hype up Joe, because he's your favourite fighter.

    But the intelligent posters on here can see straight through you.
     
  10. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Jones had a carefully crafted career where he maneuvered through weight Divisions where he cherry picked a current belt holder or he fought for a vacant belt. Jones loved trinket belts.
     
  11. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah, yeah, we've heard all of this a thousand times. But when pressed, you can't prove any of it can you?
     
  12. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Plenty of people on here have 'proved' it to you. All you do is ignore it and make ridiculous excuses. How can one guy win 'titles' in 4 Divisions yet not fight so many of those Divisions best fighters :lol::lol::lol:
     
  13. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Wrong again. :patsch:lol:
    Why is it odd to note that they are fighters winning world titles at more than one weight but not fighting the man at the weight?
     
  14. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Loudon i ignored your last post because it was all off subject, but in answer to what you have quoted.
    Look below

    Was Roy Jones a paper champion in the divisions he won world title fights in, between winning the MW title up to his fight at HW with Ruiz?
    Read on....

    At MW Jones won a vacant title against a then unknown unaccomplished fighter in Hopkins. Should Jones have been declared as the MW champ for this win or should that honour have gone to J Jackson who although also won a vacant title fought at a higher level and won his vacant title against a then higher rated more accomplished fighter in H Graham.
    Should Jones have been declared as the man at MW?

    At SMW Jones beat Toney who wasnt a great SMW and didnt have a very good SMW resume. N Benn and C Eubank were more accomplished champions who were fighting at a higher level.
    Should Jones have been declared as the man at SMW?

    At LHW it is without a doubt that Michalczewski was the man at LHW.
    The Ring LHW title disappeared in the 80s and reappeared in the 90s where it just handed its belt to R Jones, but if the line of you have to beat the man to be the man had been followed, the belt should have been handed to Michalczewski for his victory over V Hill. Dariusz was the WBO LHW champ but he also won and vacated the IBF & WBA belts before Jones won them. Also Michalczewski beat Rocchigiani who was wrongly stripped of his WBC belt.
    So Michalczewski had claim to every one of Jones belts and should have been Ring champ.
    Michalczewski was the MAN at LHW.
    Should Jones have been declared as the man at LHW?

    At HW Jones beat Ruiz but I doubt anyone felt Jones was the man at HW with L Lewis as champ. Still same question to the fans. I remember a comment that Ruiz beat Holyfield who drew with Lewis.
    Should Jones have been declared as the man at HW?


    It does appear that Jones fought some good fighters but never against the top man of any division up to his fight with Ruiz and was only ever a paper champion in these divisions. Also Jones was fighting alot of gimmes and beaten fighters.
     
  15. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Broner could only hope to beat ATGs like Toney or Hopkins.