Is Broner going to be the man in a weight division soon?

Both were great fighters when Jones fought them.

 

Joe was a gritty southpaw a Welsh fighter with Italian blood pumping thru his veins and fought like the old timer brawlers, but truth is, his wins over Hopkins and especially Jones were no more impressive than the wins Taylor, Tarver, or Johnson had over Hopkins and Rj. Hopkins clearly won the first half and even got to drop Joe, a shot Rj managed to drop Joe. I'd have been more impressed with Joe had he beaten Tarver, Taylor, even Johnson. But a shot Jones? The sameone Tarver and Johnson and even B level fighters destroyed? Ha, I don't think so.

 

Nobody has proven anything to me.

To answer your questions quickly.


At MW - As soon as he beat Hopkins, he could no longer make the weight.

That's a FACT!

Before he fought Hopkins, he was fighting nobodies for peanuts, until he split from his Dad and signed with HBO.

That's a FACT!


At SMW - He embarrassed Toney, but couldn't deal with King, who wanted future options.

That's a FACT!


At LMW - He fought everyone apart from DM, who's promoter turned down a Double Header, and was never available to negotiate with Kerry Davis of HBO. DM's resume is there in black and white. It shows you what his intentions were.


At HW - Yes, he didn't face the best, but he started out at 154, and who else has moved up to challenge a top ten guy since? Nobody!


Compare that to Joe's resume.

He turned down the opportunity to fight in the U.S. and stayed at SMW for 14 years, and waited to TEN years to unify against Kessler, who'd beaten nobody of note.

He then moved up and won a disputed split against Hopkins.

WOW!

 

Bailey,

What do you class a paper champ?

It's quite rare for a fighter to unify a division, unless there's exceptional circumstances involved.

He was never the MAN at MW.

At SMW, he beat a great fighter in Toney, who hadn't done a deal at SMW, but he'd proved to be one of the best fighters in the world, after beating McCallum, Nunn and Reggie Johnson, and he was undefeated at 26. Guys like Eubank wouldn't have gone anywhere near Nunn and McCallum, and Collins had lost to McCallum and Reggie Johnson. So at the time, Toney was considered one of the best in the world.

Was Roy the MAN at SMW? Well, due to circumstances he couldn't unify against Benn and Liles, so I would say no.

But who was the MAN at SMW?

Was it Benn?

Was it Liles?

Was it Collins?


At LHW, he did everything possible bar fighting DM. DM was wrongfully stripped of two belts, but Roy had the WBC. In the end, he obtained all the major titles, so he was the MAN at LMW.

AT HW - He won the WBA, but had no business fighting there.

So what does it mean, that he wasn't the MAN in all of the FOUR divisions he fought in??


Joe was the MAN at SMW, because he fought there for 14 years.

Are you saying that Joe's win over Kessler to become the MAN, was better than Roy's wins over Toney and Ruiz?

No he shouldn't have been declared the man at MW, and who is saying that he should have been??

Do you have to unify to be the man in your opinion?

You tell me who you think the man at SMW was while Roy fought there?

I've never argued against DM being wrongfully stripped. Like you say, he won the IBF and the WBA belts with a points win over Hill.

Roch sued the WBC after the Nunn fight in 1998 where he fought for Roy's vacated title, that Roy had dropped to move up to fight Buster Douglas at HW, which as we all know never came off.

I don't agree for one second that Roch should have been stripped, but DM had nothing to do with the WBC belt. He fought Roch in 96 and play acted to get the DQ, and then he rematched him 2000.

So no, DM didn't have a claim to Roy's WBC belt.

DM couldn't claim to be the man, because again, he had nothing to do with the WBC.

But he was wrongfully stripped of the two other belts.

But the facts are, Roy ended up with ALL of the three major belts, and when DM had the chance to fight for them, he looked the other way.

Then if you factor in who they fought and when, and what the outcomes were, Roy's 175 resume is far superior.

If you want to do a head to head, then be my guest.

Roy crushed Hill, he iced Griffin, outclassed Johnson, and beat Harding, Gonzalez, Del Valle and Tarver.

So I would say yes, Roy was definitely the man at 175. He had ALL of the belts, and DM didn't want to fight him.

Nobody that knows anything about boxing has ever claimed Roy to have been the man at HW.

But a former MW champ beating a top ten ranked HW is a fantastic achievement.

Again, it was due to circumstances.

So what's the point??

I keep telling you that stats don't ever allow for circumstances.

Joe became the man at SMW by beating Kessler.

So what?

Was Joe's win over Kessler, better than Roy's 4th round win over Hill?

How about his 1st round knockout of Griffin?

How about his win over Tarver, after coming back from 200 pounds, at nearly 35, having had nearly 50 fights?

Was it better than the win over Toney?

How about the domination of Ruiz, we know you rate Eubank's losses to Thompson.

 

Who doesn't juice? Seriously I want to know. Wake and smell the coffee dude, the professional athlete of today lives or dies off his PEDS. Ask Armstrong, any pro baseball player, track star, etc..................................................................

 

I am sorry to offend anyone's intelligence if they really thought calzaghe or malcwe??? what ever his name was the man. Malcw??? was an unknown who didn't want to come ato America to fight Roy Jones JR. Junior was the man, and the money is in America. You don't get big until u fight in America and that Mal??? guy didn't fight in America, so please stop with the he was the man ****. Calzaghe didn't fight anyone either until late, so stop. And for Broner, they are moving him just like Canelo is being moved but I guess it's no problem when Canelo does it, but as soon as a black fighter starts looking good everyone has a problem with it.

 

Just nearly fell of my chair laughing at the sheer stupidity of your post, you list off a bunch of names nobody has ever heard off and then it appears that many of them were done for using cannabis or cocaine :rofl


Lets take a very brief look at the elite level competitors who have absolutely disgraced America, competitors that have fraudulently earned millions of dollars and been role models to millions of young americans under false pretences.

Just at the tip of the iceberg in athletics you have Maurice green, marion jones, Montgomery, gay, gatlin, then there was the huge cover up with Carl Lewis with your governing bodies hiding failed tests and refusing to ban him from the Olympics :-(

Then you have elite level boxers like toney, mosley, jones, holyfield, berto, Peterson etc who have disgraced the sport of boxing, disgracefully cheated in a sport where unfair advantages can be the difference between life and death - its ****ing sickening and you have ham n eggers on here sweeping it under the rug every day, playing it down, and tarring everyone else with unproven accusation just because your idol is a blatant cheat and an absolute disgrace to the sport.

Then theres the likes of Lance Armstrong and all the cheats in American football and baseball etc, a large percentage of your sporting icons are cheats, fraudulently taking fame and fortune away from clean competitors who spend their entire life training to be they best they can.

Check out how Dwane chambers was vilified when he was found guilty of juicing in athletics, he was looked upon as an absolute disgrace throughout the Britain, he was given a ban by the IAAF but the British athletics authorities didn't want to cover it up like you do in America, instead we attempted to get his ban extended to a life-time ban such is our sheer contempt for cheats.

Your favourite boxer juiced to the gills so instead of condemning him, Americans and fanboys of the fighter sweep it under the carpet, you have become that de-sensitised to supporting cheats that you accept it and then attempt to tar everyone else with the same brush. Steroid apologists are an absolute ****ing disgrace on esb, and whilst myself and the righteous Team Elite crew are about we will continue to out them and educate them at every single opportunity :deal

 

I don't think Broner is going to stay undefeated for too much longer.
When his first real challenge arrives he'll lose.

He takes too many punches not to have the chance of being knocked out.
I don't think his chin is up to a fight. His Boxing is not good enough to keep brawlers off him.

 

Right on cue, the dumb steroid apologist ham n eggers arrive :roflatsch

Whats the matter, did your idol juice and now every sportsman in the world from any country is now a juicer too lol::rofl

 

Every pro athlete since the 60s has been on PED's, stop being ******ed.

 

The irony of your statement is hilarious :rofl

Isn't there a separate thread where we can put special all time classic quotes like this in :rofl

 

No because Jones Jr got by on phenomenal natural abilities. Broner doesn't have that and it's going to come back to haunt him very soon.

 

Its amazing to me how you can actually believe, especially considering all the evidence out there that ANYONE who makes a living of their athletic performance is not using everything to win.

You are actually dumb enough to think that there are people out there trying to compete at the highest levels that are not using?

Honestly you have some serious issues.
But keep living in your little fairy tale bubble if it makes you feel better.

 

Yes pal, I'm 'dumb' and got 'serious issues' because I don't believe every single athlete since the 60s has been juiced to gills on PEDs lol:

You couldn't make this up :rofl:nut