Is Butter a good source of fat?

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  1. pichuchu

    pichuchu Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Meh depends what you consider "Junk" food.

    On a side note no1 comment on my diet yet ..
     
  2. babyhug

    babyhug New Member Full Member

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    I use to use protien shakes and for me they seemed to work. I understand a shake and chicken together would be pointless but surely you can't say they are useless as a protien source. Would using protien as energy really be that bad for me? I consume more then 30g of protien sometimes because of protien content in the meat i use aswell as the bread or what ever i eat it with.

    Eating like a caveman does not interest me but thanks for the advice my friend.

    Overall i see that butter is TERRIBLE
     
  3. El Puma

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    :good
     
  4. El Puma

    El Puma between rage and serenity Full Member

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    Cut down on the grains for a week and tell us the changes. Other than that, pretty good.
     
  5. lefty

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    That sounds good to me. It all depends on your goals as well, are you trying to gain, maintain or lose weight? You need to be aware of your energy requirements and plan your food around that. If you need to lose weight you'll have to be careful to make sure you get all your vitamins and minerals along with sufficient carbs and protein, timing of carbs is pretty important for your training if you want to train and recover well.
     
  6. lefty

    lefty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There's nothing wrong with protein powders really, the things in them are derived from milk etc. but they are expensive and the quantity of protein you're taking in is completely unnecesary. If you're trying to put on extra weight then it's not much of a problem but if you need to watch your weight and still train then you'd be far better off having carbs in place of those extra proteins, carbs are the best source of energy and when you have carbs that are available to burn then the protein you take in does the job it's meant to do, it repairs your muscle.
    Extra protein is just taking in unnecessary macronutrients which wouldn't be smart if you have a limited energy budget.
    It's very rare for somebody not to get enough protein and it's easy to get enough from a basic diet, if somebody wants to waste their money and take in a poor energy source that's worth gram for gram just as much energy as a carb without being as useful for exercise then go for it.
    When you use protein for energy it raises your bodies temperature and you're not going to feel good training. There are other problems excess protein can cause (leeching calcium from bones etc.) but realistically it's not going to be too much of an issue unless you really go over the top for an extended period of time.
    If you don't have to train and you're trying to lose weight then protein shakes can be useful, you'll be using lots of the protein for energy but you'll also be making sure you have sufficient protein which could be an issue on a low carb diet (carbs are protein sparing).
    Somebody who is trying to put on weight doesn't need extra protein either, they just need extra total energy. With that extra food intake they'll be getting any extra protein they'd need anyway. 10-15 grams at a time with carbs is sufficent for optimal recovery after a session, as little as 6 grams can do the job. 20-25grams is the most your body could use at once before any extra protein will be used as energy or stored as fat if the energy isn't needed. What's a typical protein shake, 50 grams of protein?
    It's overkill, a waste of money.
     
  7. Matt Ldn

    Matt Ldn Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why is bread so bad for you? My problem is cos of my lifestyle going too and from uni I usually eat sandwiches in the day soya and linseed bread mainly.

    Lefty, if your training to lose a bit of weight not a HUGE amount just to be at a good fighting weight when should i time my carbs around training. I usually have 50-60g of rice (usually brown) or sweet potato with some chicken and veg before training 1-2hours before. Then more of the same or 3eggs in bread with a bannana within an hour of finishing is that about right or am i going all wrong?
     
  8. Matt Ldn

    Matt Ldn Boxing Addict Full Member

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    what about olive oil spread?
     
  9. pichuchu

    pichuchu Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah im going to go on a somewhat paleo diet from 2moro for a week or two. Il cut out every grain etc but il still keep protien shake for breakfast (pure protien no carbs) I don't think i can stomach meat in the morning
     
  10. D1namita

    D1namita New Member Full Member

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    Could a knowledgeable poster answer some of these questions please seem awfully similar to mine
     
  11. boxon123

    boxon123 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Go and read the packet. There is a very small amount of Olive oil in it ,the rest is trans fats.
     
  12. lefty

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    Sorry mate I missed this before...
    The main thing with losing just a little bit of weight is getting your total energy requirements for the day right, the timing is more about having energy for your training and to optimise recovery.
    Around training you want some high GI foods, your diet looks good but the thing most would have a problem with is the fibre content, fibre before training tends to make people feel heavy and sluggish and slows down the release of energy.
    High fibre food is good for you and when you're losing weight helps you to feel full. Things like wholegrain bread/rice and vegetables should be staples of a diet imo.
    Eating smaller meals throughout the day helps to stabilise blood sugar levels.
    The low GI foods that I just mentioned help to give you long lasting energy but before training you want that faster release. Bananas are a great pre workout food, things like low-fat yoghurt (packed full of sugar), starchy foods like potato, white bread with jam, fruit juice etc. are all things you shouldn't eat too often but they're ideal before a training session (Note: Carbohydrates for some people just before a session can have a fatiguing effect and cause them to have a higher rate of perceived exertion and increased usage of glycogen.... so if that's you you might want to have your carb dense foods a few hours before training).
    The same sort of things after training but you want some protein as well, stuff like milk or low fat yoghurt are good in that regard. Your chicken and eggs are great but they're released a bit slower than a liquid, you can have that stuff at the same time or wait an hour later and it's fine.
    I think it's more comfortable to eat little bits around training rather than a big meal that you have to digest, making sure you're adequately hydrated before and after your training session are very important so I find that the liquid leaves me unable to eat much on top of that... After a fatiguing session I particularly find it hard to eat so having a drink with carbs and protein (choc milk etc.) ready is a lifesaver.
    You're eating good foods, it's just about being comfortable. If you feel comfortable eating what you do and you have energy for your training then keep at it.
    When you're losing a little bit of weight it's important to still get all your nutrients and minerals.. wholegrains, vegetables, small amounts of good fat (nut,avocado etc.), Fish, lean meats, low fat dairy.
    You just need to be conscious of your total energy intake and time those high GI foods around your training and not just before your bed time and you should be sweet.
    We have people saying don't eat breads and dairy and so on but if you digest that sort of stuff with no problem then they're great foods to eat. People have gluten, lactose intolerances so if that's you then you'll feel better without that stuff. Stuff like yoghurt actually has very little lactose so if you can't handle milk don't assume you can't handle yoghurt.
    Variety is important to make sure you're getting all the different nutrients you need, things like fruit smoothies are great. I have berries, a couple different fruits, yoghurt and mixed in vegetables (spinach etc.) with chia seeds (high in omega 3, fibre and antioxidants). It tastes great, it's packed with nutrients and keeps you full for a long time.
    With your training if you train hard on consecutive days you'll really need to pack your diet full of carbs, if you have weight training days or light days then you can scale back a bit and adjust your energy intake. Food is just energy so it's going to be different each day, you just need to think about what you need for what activity.
    Planning your food and thinking about it in depth might seem a bit of a hassle but if you're serious about getting the best out of yourself it is very important. You can lose weight, feel stronger and be in better general health as well. Taking things to extremes- eating everything in sight then eating nothing seem to be popular in boxers and it isn't healthy or easy to do, doing things gradually and the right way can give you a big advantage over your opponents.
    :good
     
  13. pichuchu

    pichuchu Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Umm Puma do you know any postwork out foods/ drink i can make at home and take with me to the gym like a paleo version of a protien shake??
    So far so good on paleo
     
  14. Nipple

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    Great read lads ;-)

    I am "Semi" Paleo at the moment. It can be VERY hard though.

    Typical diet (for weight loss)

    B - Banana & a handful of almonds, maybe a shake if i've worked out the day before and i'm still sore

    L - Satsuma and cashews or a bowl of soup

    D - Either a plate of chicken with peppers and a wrap or two (wrap for carbs), salmon with broccoli and carrots, steak with broccoli and carrots or baked spud with cheese and beans

    Snacks - Maximuscle bar, nuts.

    It's still a work in progress, but i don't eat oats, bread or drink milk (unless it's after a tough weights session and i'm on my way to bed).

    What do you reckon? I know i could do with some Eggs, but i am not a fan of the taste of them.

    I have the odd slip up once a week with a pizza (well, "had", that's cut out for the next 4-6 weeks) and cookies (same).

    Cardio = Padwork x2 a week (60 minute sessions), weights x2/3 per week, intervals on the crosstrainer x2 per week.

    Lefty (or anyone else that knows their stuff) does that seem like a decent enough weight loss plan? Or am i missing something?

    The pizza/cookies are the only junk i eat. I don't touch anything else (no cereal, chocolate, soda etc).
     
  15. El Puma

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    Bag of almonds and a banana.

    No need for a shake. If I can do 2 WODS for CrossFit, on one banana w me, you can do it as well:good

    Good luck on your Paleo journey.