Is Calzaghe an ATG ?

Well, I guess that clinches it...


Quite a few actually.

 

Wow....that comment is so far off I was thinking whether or not I should say something. Well...I have to. The Eubanks fight isn't close to the meaning PACs wins over EM or MAB were.

#1...at the time both EM and MAB were in the P4P ranks...both were still fighting and winning. MAB and EM both went on after their defeats at the hands of PAC to win other fights.

For Joe...the win over Eubanks was BIG....but only from a Name recgonitiion stand point. Eubanks was slipping when Joe and him met. ANd after the fight Eubanks went on to loose TWICE! Once by KO and the other by UD and he then retired.

THere is no comparison between PACs wins over MAB and EM to Joe's win over Eubanks. Pac's by far has more meaning and substance.

 

Yes....Joe is or will be an ATG. He has a couple of boxing records that are very respectable and that alone would secure his spot in the HOF....but his recent wins and step up in the level of competition over the last 2 or 3 yrs is bringing him to that ATG status.

 

Number 2 in THE RING's opinion mate.

The 1st time he had went 12 rounds - so what?? Why is failing to stop a rusty inactive fighter an achievement equal to stopping peak Marco Antonio Barrera?

I dunno why I'm bothering to argue with you, your comments on Eubank and regarding Barrera show you know nothing about either situation.

When Barrera fought Pac the 1st time, he was on the greatest run of form of his long and superb career. In the 3 years leading up to that contest, he beat Naseem Hamed, Erik Morales, Johnny Tapia and Kevin Kelley. In the two fights immediately after his loss to Pac, he beat Morales again and Paulie Ayala.

Compare that to the 2 fights I have told you Eubank had before Calzaghe, and the two losses with Carl Thompson afterwards.

Owned.

 

The rings opinion means nothing nowadays anyway though.

As for Calzaghes win over Eubank, I have no problem with people saying Eubank was nowhere near his prime because he obviously wasn't but people really should stop making out he turned up completely out of shape because he was fighting on the bill anyway. The only disadvantage he'd get from that is not studying much of Calzaghe it's not like he was unfit.

As for the title yes, just some seem to think he's the number 1 ATG and others think he's not in the top 1000. Still should fight again though to cemet his place.

 

This may be the best post on this thread.:good

 

Eubank had fought only two journeymen in only two exhibition fights in Asia and Africa in the whole two years before the Calzaghe fight. How can that be construed as anything other than serious and severe ring-rust verging on semi-retirement?

 

Yes!!!

 

Does a bear sh*t in the woods?

 

Yes he is already an ATG.

 

This depends on your personal definition of what an ATG is. To me being an ATG means being about top 50 p4p ever, by this definition I say no.

 

Exactly! Which further illustrates that Chris was not the Chris that the boxing world came to love and appreciate. Carl ****ING Thompson was able to beat and KO Eubanks!atsch THat would never happend to a prime or a bit past his prime Eubanks. At that point Eubanks was clearly either shot or damn close to it.

 

Carl Thompson is a hard hitting cruiserweight you wally.

 

hof yes!!!...atg hmmm NO!!!

 

You could pick holes in anybody`s career to suit your own agenda depending on whether you like or dislike a fighter but the positives far outweigh the negatives in Calzaghe`s career.

People are happy to mention that he held the WBO version for his 21 defences... fair enough... but they fail to menion that he was regarded on BOTH sides of the pond as the best SMWT on the planet so in reality, everyone knew who was the man to beat & nobody on EITHER side of the pond could do it.

People say the SMWT division was weak as a big reason Calzaghe isnt a great BUT they fail to mention that the MWT division that the`legend`Hopkins dominated was every bit as weak.

Calzaghe is every bit a legend that Hopkins is, arguably more so as he won the H2H.... so my statement is this.....
If Hopkins is an ATG... then Calzaghe is an ATG... at least Calzaghe has never lost a fight, B-Hop has lost 5.