Is Calzaghe an ATG ?

ATG is inherently a subjective term. I happen to agree with PacFan and use the top 50 or so standard, which leaves Calzaghe out.

 

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I agree with that, it's an overused term on here.

To be honest all that matters is that he will go down as one of the greatest british fighters of all time, the most successful 168 fighter of all time, a 2 weight world champion, the ring magazine champion at 2 different weight classes at the same time, undefeated in 46 fights, 21 successful title defences at 168.

Not the greatest resume by any means but a lot better than some on here give him credit for and will look a lot better once Kessler goes on to hopefully dominate 168 and 175.

Judging by all the above he will certainly go down as a great, great boxer in years to come whether you use the term 'ATG' or not.

 

:good Spot on.

 

His peak weight was indeed middleweight, but he only fought there til around '93.

No, the De La Hoya win will definitely not be more celebrated than Tarver. He beat a guy who had no business ever fighting at middleweight against Oscar. Against Tarver, he was coming off 2 losses and was said to be finished, he jumped not 1 but 2 weight divisions, and absolutely dominated the linear lightheavyweight champion at the age of 40. That was a stunning win. Nor will it be more celebrated than Pavlik. You say Pavlik was "very green", but were you saying this before the fight? I think not. He was so green that he beat Hopkins's conqueror Taylor twice and was ranked 5th or 6th pound-for-pound in the world.

Think context and performance, not just name when you are assessing the quality of wins.

 

Yes, 100%.

 

I've never attempted to do a list, I don't know enough and most people here will be the same but I don't need to make a list to justify to myself that he is one of the all time great fighters and I think the general consenus is that he is an ATG. Wether that be top 50, 100, 125, whatever, I don't know.

 

Toney's peak ended emphatically with the Jones defeat in Nov 94. The mid-late 90s were a bad bad period for him.

I don't think you need to be a hardcore fan to know that Oscar was never a middleweight and that Trinidad, Tarver, Pavlik and Wright were all better wins.

 

i thought u might of wasted yor time writing an essay u clown

 

He certainly isn't an ATG.
If he was american he'd already be an ATG
does that make sense ?

 

An essay would not be required for the likes of you, who never actually say anything worthwhile.

 

Eubank was a super middleweight, fighting at up to 168lbs before this. Thompson was a cruiserweight. That's a big difference. Carl Thompson also KO'd David Haye when he was past his prime himself, so it's not unrealistic to think he could hurt a natural SMW when in his prime, is it? Both fights were actually quite close also.

 

Barrera - yes.

Morales - No.

Morales last win was vs Pac in march 05, then he lost to Raheem sept 05, Pac in jan 06, Pac on nov 06 & Diaz in around the summer 07... he hasnt fought since. The man is ****ed.

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My bad! I meant to say "This is the best we've seen of Joe"....Not Jones.

 

I was getting scared there for a second; I expect that kind of **** from some of these noobs that have been wandedring in lately, not a 5000+ poster.