Is Calzaghe TBE?

This, above all shows the awesome record of Joe Calzaghe's boxing achievements. The interesting thing is Roy Jones, in the build up to their fight, was asked by a British journalist when Roy started seeing Joe as a legitimate power in the Supermiddleweight division. He answered instantly. His victory over Woodhall. You have it as a good win for Joe. Roy Jones saw it as a guy who was going to be a very dangerous quantity in the squared circle and he was right.

 

Toney always had weight problems..

It didn't stop him from racking up an amazing MW resume, and he sure looked great at SMW until he fought Roy. He was undefeated and arguably #1 P4P..

Lets not forget that Roy was moving up from MW, and there were questions as to if Roy could handle Toney's power.

It was one of the most dominating things I have ever seen and great win, no way around it.

Tarver was a great win too considering he dropped from HW to fight the #1 LHW...

Jones had to dig deep to pull it out, totally exhausted.. and won a close but clear decision..

I know you don't rate it because you thought Tarver won, but that can't be any further away from the truth.. Roy out landed Tarver in power shots, the body assault was insane and was responsible for Tarver waiting too much, giving up precious time he needed down the stretch... I have re watched that fight several times, and it is very easy to score, I can't understand scoring it for Tarver, and give Jones full credit. The large majority of boxing fans have Jones winning that one.

 

overall, yes, Toney is the much better fighter and ranks higher than Lacy. i'm not disputing that. but at the time Roy fought him, he was going through lots of problems with his weight.

why do you think that Roy was so eager to get Toney into the ring?? he's never gone out to get one of the top guys before nor after that fight. he's always found a way to duck the fight. but not with Toney. he saw he was at a weak point so jumped right on there to take advantage.

you don't have to be a HOF for it to be a great win. look at Frazier and Foreman for Ali, those two are certainly not HOF's.
Castillo and Corrales are not HOF's either, but they're great wins for Floyd.

i agree that Kessler is a better fighter than Lacy. i don't rate that win as better. they're both great wins but, Kessler ranks higher up on Joe's resume.

and no, Lacy wasn't a great fighter. he was just a very good fighter that had his career cut short due to the type of loss he suffered at the hands of Joe.

 

they always wanted to keep him in the gym to make sure he didn't go crazy, yeah. they had everything working out well to begin with. but Toney started to lose his way big time well over a year before Jones even got in the ring with him.

if you don't want to face up to that, then don't. it's no skin off my nose if you want to live in ignorance. that's up to you. but it's not like you were watching boxing back then to really know what was what. you've admitted that. all you have to go on is bits and bobs from the internet that doesn't even begin to tell anywhere near the whole story. but whatever you want to believe, go ahead. i don't really care any more if i'm honest.

the first fight was controversial back then, trust me. most thought that Tarver had won it, which is why they demanded the rematch.

i, like most back then, had Tarver winning the fight. it's only now that people are choosing Roy because of them having an agenda. it looks better for Roy if he gets the first win instead of losing all three fights. just look at the huge change of votes in the Calzaghe/Hopkins fight. Hopkins gets more and more people picking him every year it seems. so it's exactly like that.

but go ahead and believe what you want. score fights the way you want.

 

What the hell are you talking about? Roy was eager to get Toney in the ring because of his weight problems .He's always had issues making weight!

And Jones had to come up to his weight class and challenge him !

 

not always. he had his **** together when he was at Middle and first moved up to Supermiddle. but he soon started to lose his way and lost his focus.

why do you think that Toney was the only big name fighter that Roy ever went after when at his best???

come on, it's obvious. :think don't try and paint Roy to be something he most certainly wasn't.

 

Ali's win over Foreman wasn't a HOF win or Foreman and Fraizer aren't HOF'ers?

@ assasin - Are you for real?

One gave us the rope-a-dope and the two wins are world class victories.

State your position on your reply!

 

in order to be a real HOF'er, you have to have the resume to back it up. neither of those two have the resume to back it up.

look at their wins of worth. it's so slim, it makes Kate Moss look fat.

the rope-a-dope?? sorry, but that win should be null and void by the fact that Ali and his team (and have admitted to this) loosened the ropes to allow Ali to lean right back and avoid getting hit by cleaner punches by Foreman.

that's an illegal move and against the rules when altering the ring to have an advantage against another foe. :deal

 

Toney's weight excuse was always waiting.. It is not an excuse to me.. Jones dominated a prime Toney, who according to his promoter was very confident he would beat Roy.

Are you in a bad mood or something? I admitted to not watching boxing back then? You have me confused with someone. My family has been watching Roy Jones since the Olympics, I was force fed him by my Dad, but you can bet I was watching...

I also find it funny you think Eubank is a great win for Calzaghe, but discredit Jones' win over Toney. Care to explain that?

Back then most that scored the fight had Jones winning... And they still do... He won, plain and simple. And it is nothing like the Calzaghe-Hopkins fight... Hopkins clearly lost. Jones clearly won. But you are right, in a vote, people are in much more dispute of Calzaghe-Hopkins than Jones-Tarver. Didn't HBO feel Calzaghe beat Hopkins? HBO also felt Roy beat Tarver first time around.

 

This is complete bull****, and exposes you for the Roy hater you are Assasin. Roy had no idea how Toney was going to show up in the ring, he moved up in weight and challenged the best. He deserves credit for that.

Toney looked great at SMW, and then he fought Roy.

Roy gets discredited too much when he makes something look easy... No one else could have done that to Toney.

 

77 trolls have voted in the poll thus far. :think

 

Watch the documentary Legendary nights Bob Arum ,he discusses how Toney always had problems with weight ..And Jones had just beat. Hopkins who was rated higher than him at middle before facing Toney .

I think your trying to paint Toney into some disciplined fighter before Roy when that was simply not the case .

 

Biggest duck in ESB history going on here.
Filip, forget who Bradley beat and try again -

Pac you mentioned just beat undefeated Bradley in what many call one of his biggest wins, yet lets say Bradley was not awarded that first fight with Pac and the ref had of stopped the fight when he was falling back over against Provodnikov. Bradley would have been 29-2 with a stoppage loss.

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Do you think if Bradley had a previous loss to Pacquiao and a stoppage loss to Provodnikov, that the win would be considered as good? Simple, its a yes or no answer