Is Calzaghe the next Prince?

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  1. Toopretty

    Toopretty Custom made Full Member

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    You dumb piece of ****..You can take James Toney cut out half of his ****ing fights...The ones he won..and he has accomplished more then Calzaghe has or will ever have..James Toney would not be beaten by no damned calzaghe and no way on earth would he ever be put down out in any kind of way. :nut:nut:nut:-:)-:)-(

    Seems like your dumb ass is the one living in LALA land..If you ****ing ****s disrespect another ****ing ATG hall of fame fighters that have mixed it up with other ATG fighters and bring up some god damned Calzaghe and ****ing Kessler...**** YOU>>>>:deal:rofl:rofl:rofl:lol::lol::lol: COMEDY>>>
     
  2. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Or it could just be my take on the matter. I don't need to build up either. Fans with eyes in the head can see they are elites. If you can't well, then you will know later.

    It's your take that RJJ will dominate Calzaghe. However, unlike me you seem to undervalue Calzaghes abilities. I'll let you know that I have been a fan of RJJ for many years, and still support him unlike so many other bandwagoneers we have here on the forum.
     
  3. Toopretty

    Toopretty Custom made Full Member

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    You are not elite for not beating anybody of note that is even close to being elite..This is boxing *****..this is not fantasy football or basketball...You have to be in great fights against champions of high regard...Neither fighter mentioned as done this....EVER....
     
  4. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Did you know that Mikkel Kessler would easily defeat James Toney also?

    Kessler likely defeats Hagler wide as well. Kessler also matches up extremely well with a prime Bernard Hopkins.
     
  5. Toopretty

    Toopretty Custom made Full Member

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    I rest my case
     
  6. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Do you think Winky Wright defeats Mikkel Kessler?
     
  7. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    You seem to fail. So you are only elite by beating elites? So you mean before ie Roy Jones jnr beat his first elite, he wasn't? You simply don't know anything, I even highly doubt you have ever watched either man.
     
  8. KO Boxing

    KO Boxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't undervalue Joe Calzaghe and his ability. I rate him in the p4p top ten, and I rank him as the no. 1 super middleweight in the world (although with a very good chance of losing to Kessler). I just said the Calzaghe Kessler fights is one of the best figthts in boxing right now, and with some awesome figthts, thats saying a lot in itself. However, I also rated Naz at the time (despite him being a cockhead. Honestly, who could like that personality?) but that doesn't mean that a resume exists where it doesn't. So I stand by the question, if Calzaghe suffers a loss does his place in history get as tainted as Naz's was by his loss?

    It's all kind of a balancing act, wouldn't you say, though? People are greatly under appreicating his skills, whereas others are greatly over appreciating his skills...

    Jones, however, is merely a different level of fighter. H2H one of the greatest of all time, and p4p in the top 40 (arguably higher). Putting Calzaghe on his level is a clear example of someone greatly over appreciating his ability.

    Claiming that ON PAPER Joe is the greatest super middleweight of all time (cause Roy didn't have too many fights there), and H2H a top fiver, is a very fair assessment I'd argue. Putting him on Jones level, is just not.

    IMO, of course.

    And Dane, I do hope you read the first two lines of my first post. While I stand by a number of things I have said in this thread, this was still a joke post. Mainly aimed at all the other joke posts recently made, and because I have a *thing* about the British...

    If you knew who I was and where I came from, you may understand... :good
     
  9. Toopretty

    Toopretty Custom made Full Member

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    I cant talk to you anymore..It is pointless and redundant. First I thought you guys were just ****ing with me..Now I know you are serious and it scares the **** out of me..So from both of you deluded morons point of view...Kessler and Calzaghe are the two best fighters from 160-168 over the past 25 years....I mean....that is what you are saying..you cant spin around it...I rest my case.:cool:
     
  10. KO Boxing

    KO Boxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not at all... But I'd argue a prime Bernard Hopkins (who we now know can fit 175 extremely well, so 168 would be no problem) and a prime Hagler (who is arugably the greatest 160 pounder of all time, only 8 pounds shy of 168 ) beat Kessler...

    If you are truly the visionary that you think you are and Kessler AND Calzaghe go on to PROVE that they beat these two, then at that time, I will SURELY eat my crow... And hail CHJ as the literal second coming
     
  11. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    No, last 25 years, Jones is the best from 160-175.
     
  12. Toopretty

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    you said kessler easily beats toney and hagler and do well with hopkins..so to me..they are probably top 5 fighters from 160-168 over the past 25 years respectfully.....so if kessler can beat those guys he would no doubt be probably #1 by your theory....
     
  13. KO Boxing

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    I think I gotta learn how to rile the Brits up better.

    Amsterdams a Swiss living in the US... Shifty is also from the US (I gather?)... and Dane is from Denmark (I gather, or maybe via somewhere like Amsterdam).

    So NO bloody Brits so far! :fire
     
  14. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    It was a valid question. In fact a very good one you posted in your OP.

    Firstly I need to emphesize that I wrote "primer" - not prime. Meaning that todays RJJ would of course not be a fair comparison.

    Hamed was a good fighter, and I hated him as much as the next guy for his arrogant attitude. I held my fingers crossed throughout the fight for MAB to beat him. Still in hindsight, Hamed did very good vs such a skilled opponent - too good to be called anything less than a very good fighter. It might have been that Hamed was caught in the web of the arrogant image, it might have been that that led him to not fighting at top level again; the higher you fly the deeper you fall. He was still a good fighter, but nowhere near the quality of JC, as I see it.

    Even if I think you have posted fairly, I dont think that just because you hate the british should mean you think less of a fighter(not that i think your posting reflects it) - he can't help it where he was born:lol: - nor have most british supported him.
     
  15. KO Boxing

    KO Boxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :D

    I don't HATE the British, mate. I'm quite selective and bias with who I choose to hate. :yep (as hard as it is to admit, one of my favourite actors is Scottish, so that kinda takes away from my argument). And while my rivalry with them is very heated and bitter, its still only friendly.

    Anyone else from Australia can maybe help me out? It's hard to explain. Maybe it's because they got scared and actually sent all their convicts to live in a paradise, eventually over-taking them in a large number of fields (particularily sport) - while they left themselves in a small shithole of a country where its cold and rains. :deal

    Never did claim this post to be fair... But other posts aren't either (e.g. posts about Taylor, for example, a fighter I don't particularily rate at all, in fact, and would pick to LOSE to both Calzaghe and Kessler)