Is Canelo a better fighter then Chris Eubank Snr?

What’s wrong with it, is that he barely beat Erislandy Lara and a faded GGG, yet you think he has this incredible resume and is on his way to the GOAT status.

 

Nobody. But then it’s obviously a weaker era.

Calzaghe, Jones and Toney would all probably have been better than Canelo too.

 

You shouldn’t be amazed.

Not when you take a closer look at things.

Did Canelo beat the top man at MW?

He definitely didn’t in the first fight. I know Canelo fans who think that he definitely lost.

Did he beat the top man at LHW?

Kovalev wasn’t the top man at LHW. He was damaged goods.

Yes, he’s unified the SMW division. But has he legitimately beaten anybody who’s on another level to Eubank’s best wins?

There’s no doubt that he’s a great fighter. But I think he’s been overrated.

I also wouldn’t have put my house on him having beaten the best versions of Eubank at MW and SMW.

 

Canelo could never have dominated Eubank’s era of SMW’s.

 

No way could Eubank beat GGG.

 

Canelo doesn’t have the speed that Herol had.

Billy at his best would have caused many MW’s issues.

It’s such a shame how his career has fizzled out.

Mike was a true technician though.

Billy wouldn’t have beaten Mike.

 

I think he would have but dominate is the wrong word because Canelo struggles weith straight punches due to his lack of boxing abilty, he would drop rounds but was amazing at setting traps, Eubank fdefended his title against a lot of weak opponents, Benn, Watson, Calzaghe and Collins were by far the best of Eubank`s world title opposition.

 

I don’t think that Eubank would ever be P4P no.1 today.

However, Canelo would never have been the P4P no.1 in Eubank’s day.

Also, in today’s social media world, you need more than just outright ability to be considered the P4P no.1.

IMHO, Usyk should rate higher than Canelo. But Canelo gets the opportunities and the exposure that Usyk doesn’t get, as well as having a huge Mexican fan base behind him.

It would be very difficult for a European fighter to be universally recognised as the The P4P no.1 fighter in the world today.

 

Why not?

GGG barely beat Jacobs and Derev.

So why couldn’t the versions of Eubank who beat Benn and Watson have had a chance?

 

WHAT? Saunders was crap at Super Middle....Saunders would gas against McCallum after 6 rounds and would get starched.
Ginger has the better wins but against guys who were lower weights. Kovalev was damaged goods and GGG was robbed twice.
Some of the spastics on here completely overrate Canelo's run at Super Middle. these guys would get battered in any other era of note I can think of. I can only assume that you're in troll mode.

 

Canelo would just be another very good-great fighter back in the early 90’s.

He wouldn’t be the guy who he is today.

Eubank did defend his title against weak opposition.

He signed a 10 fight deal which had him fighting every few months.

It burnt him out.

Roch was also a credible opponent though.

It was a tough run he had. Especially after the Watson tragedy when he wasn’t in the same frame mentally.

 

Mcallum wasn`t any good at 168, his best weight was 154, he was too old when he met Jones at 168 and his body looked old and flabby, Saundes would have been too quick at 168, McCallum was much quicker at 154.

 

I was thinking at 160lb which was Saunders best division. McCallum never fought at Super Middle and jumped straight to Light Heavy when he won a belt. he did lose to Jones but that was a couple of years later. So either the McCallum that fought Toney at Middle or when he won the Light Heavy belt in '94 wipes the floor with any version of Saunders.

 

Mike never fought at SMW.

He bypassed the division.

He fought Roy at LHW.

He’d have still been a great fighter at SMW though.

Billy wasn’t a legit SMW.

He only moved there because of weight issues and the opportunity to fight Canelo.

I’d take any MW version of Mike over Billy, plus any SMW version of him up until the mid to late 90’s.

 

Isn’t that better than not beating a faded Benn or Ray Close (or, arguably, Tony the Postman and Sugar Boy Malinga … and a few others)?

Benn, if he ever was on GGG’s level, certainly had faded a lot more by the point of the second fight with Eubank than GGG had in either bout against Canelo.

I mean you basically are saying ‘well Canelo had some close fights against really good fighters’ ignoring that Eubank had close (disputable) fights against less good fighters. Ray Close was pretty much a domestic fighter. Thornton was a semi-contender who got shown up by James Toney and Roy Jr as being far from world-class … he gave them no trouble.

And then you want to put an asterisk by every bad Eubank performance with a ‘well he was tired because he fought regularly’ (against mostly sub-par opposition — look at the credentials of some of those challengers who he was so tired against) and ‘he just wasn’t the same.’

Furthermore, let’s talk about Steve Collins. A hard, gutty but hardly special boxer who twice took Eubank (and Benn) to school. I don’t see anyone of Collins’ level beating Canelo thoroughly.

If you’re going to dissect Alvarez’s record (oh this guy was this, that guy was that) then put the same microscope to Eubanks’ record and let’s see how he really stacks up.