Is Canelo a better fighter then Chris Eubank Snr?

Obviously you’re entitled to your opinion, and if you genuinely think that Canelo beat GGG the first time, then that’s fair enough. I respect that. But I don’t think that I know anybody that shares your opinion.

Regarding Kovalev, he was completely washed up both physically and mentally. He barely beat Anthony Yarde. His top level days were clearly over.

Regarding Canelo, like I’ve noted to others, I believe that he has a better resume and he is a better overall fighter. The point is, it’s just not the landslide that most people think it is.

Canelo’s best wins aren’t levels above Eubank’s best wins. They just simply hold more name value.

The best versions of Canelo at MW and SMW aren’t levels above the best versions of Eubank at that those weights.

I think if they’d have fought, it would have been a close, competitive fight. (The best versions of each fighter squaring off)

Again, Canelo is great. He’s the face of the sport. But he’s fighting in a weaker era and getting the opportunities that Eubank never had.

As a source of entertainment, switch over their timelines and ask yourself if they could beat each other’s opponents.

 

What the same one who looked like he was sparring until he was ko'd?
Anyway you keep shifting the goalposts when I demonstrate that you knowledge is poor. so I think your still trolling.

 

So you list 4 guys that Eubank fought that were clearly a level above Plant. One of them was the GOAT at the weight and he fought all of them 7 times.....so yeah you've kind of undone yourself there.
Look Canelo is the more decorated fighter and the more rounded. I'm not sure he beats a prime Eubank H2H simply because the competition he fought at that weight were crap. At best he just outpoints Eubank but he certainly isn't knocking him out. We all know this. It isn't a slight on Ginger as he fought who was there at the time. but we also can't ignore that they are clearly a level or two below the elite fighters at that weight.

 

Saintpat,


Look, this is my stance:

I am in agreement with you that Canelo has a better resume and is the better overall fighter. He has a more complete skill set in my opinion.

However, when you break things down objectively, it isn’t the landslide that most people, yourself included believe that it is.

That is my only point.

Canelo’s resume jumps out and is easy on the eye due to the name value of many of his opponents.

However, Canelo’s best wins are not on another level to Eubank’s best wins. Again, not when you break them down.

Wins over guys like GGG, Kovalev and Cotto etc, all look great on paper. But if you look at them objectively, they aren’t better wins than Eubank’s wins over the likes of Benn, Watson and Roch. And that’s my point.

He didn’t legitimately beat a faded GGG who he’d waited to age, who’d only scraped by Jacobs and Derev. The whole boxing world knows that that was a robbery.

Cotto is a great name, but wasn’t a great win at a bogus weight.

Kovalev was shot both physically and mentally. It was a cherry pick.

So I’ll make a quick summary before respectfully answering your points.


Canelo’s best wins are not on another level to Eubank’s best wins. His legitimate wins certainly aren’t.

At MW, Canelo has not proven that he was on another level to the best MW versions of Eubank.

At SMW, Canelo has not proven that he’s on another level to the best SMW versions of Eubank.

Canelo hasn’t done anything to put himself on another level to the best versions of Eubank.

Again, yes, I think he’s a better overall fighter. But not by much, and it’s not a laughable landslide in Canelo’s favour.

Canelo is simply getting the opportunities that Eubank didn’t get, in a much easier era.

In a H2H fight at either MW and SMW, I think that the best versions of Eubank would have given Canelo great fights. And I wouldn’t have been shocked if Eubank had beaten Canelo, especially at MW.

I’m not making excuses. Excuses and valid reasons are two different things.

Collins would have been one of Canelo’s best opponents. Certainly better than Jacobs, Chavez, Khan, Cotto and the specific version of Kovalev who he fought.

Correct. Different times. Different opportunities. When at his best, Eubank was more than capable of beating Smith, Saunders and Plant etc.

Let me ask you this:

Would Canelo have cleaned out Eubank’s era of SMW’s?

No chance.

Not really. Again, he’s fought far more guys who have more name value.

I have not said “But, but……”

I have given legitimate reasons as to why Eubank wasn’t always at his best.

It’s like questioning Saunders’ gift over Akavov, or Toney’s loss to Tiberi.

I’m only looking at the best, healthiest versions of both fighters. And when I do that, Canelo has not proven himself to be on a completely different level.

On paper, they pale in comparison. But again, in reality, Canelo’s best wins aren’t levels above Eubank’s best wins.

Canelo would never have been the P4P no.1 in Eubank’s era.

The mention of Carl Thompson and Johnny Nelson show how out of touch with things you are.

Chris had no business being in the ring with Carl Thompson at that stage of his career. Canelo would never even dream of taking on such a challenge at that stage of his career. Eubank couldn’t even do roadwork at that stage of his career. He had to have injections in his knees. He was completely injury ravaged with many miles on the clock.

This is what annoys me. You want to mock Eubank for losing to a guy who Nelson beat, whilst wanting to celebrate Canelo’s worthless wins over guys like Kovalev etc. It’s a joke.

Go and put an injury ravaged, end of career Canelo in with Joe Calzaghe on 11 days notice, before then putting him in the ring with a huge, prime CW in Carl Thompson. Again, Canelo would never have taken those kinds of fights. And sure, Nelson knocked him out. But Nelson was a huge CW himself, and Thompson went on to beat David Haye. So stop being ignorant. Again, a former MW had no business being in the ring with Thompson at that stage of his career. Come back to me when Canelo does something similar.

 

1. What does this have to do with anything?

2. The specific version of Kovalev who Canelo fought barely beat Anthony Yarde and was shot both mentally and physically against elite level competition. So it’s highly unlikely that the version of Kovalev who Canelo fought would have battered Tiozzo.

 

The point is:

Plant would just be another fighter in the early 90’s at SMW.

The current SMW division is weak.

 

Harding wasn’t a great fighter. But neither was Billy at SMW.

I’d take a hypothetical SMW version of Mike over Billy at SMW.

 

Rocchigiani was a good fighter.

That was a very good win in Germany.

 

You mentioned that McCallum was a world champ at 175, but he beat Harding to win that belt, Harding was not a good fighter.

 

Yes. But I’d still have fancied Mike to have beaten Billy at any weight. Even when Mike was old and at the end of his career.

 

Don’t think we saw what Eubank could really do (against the best Americans say).