Is Canelo a disgrace to the middleweight title?

Well he just won it and has yet to defend it, so lets hold off there, haha...

 

Eubank was one of the wins that earned Saunders the title shot, so that's a relevant win. Saunders' MW title is more legit than Canelo's with his wins over Andy Lee and Eubank.

You didn't answer the question. You said that Golovkin's WBA title wasn't legit, so I asked, how was it his fault when the former WBA champ chose to drop his title rather then defending it against him?

You can say anything you want about the MW division which I don't agree, but the fact that N'dam was a solid top10 MW and Lemieux and Quillin soundly beating him proves they're top MWs, also It doesn't change the fact that calling Lemieux one of the biggest paper titlist is bulls**** when you have guys like Liam Smith in pretty much every division who never fought a top20 ranked opponent in their division.

P4P? Yes. But as far as the legitimacy of the middleweight titles go, no.

 

Mayweather, Lara, Trout and Cotto

 

Its best to agree to disagree while I'm open to changing my opinion based on facts presented this one isn't likely.
Eubank Jr is a prospect who himself says he's like 2-4 years away from trying to be top level, Lee is a decent to good win, but Lee is a reject from a MW era that while not as weak was also considered.

Neither Lemieux of N'Dam have ever beaten a top fighter ever or a top 50 P4P guy. David is Leim Smith a nobody paper Champ, with losses to journeymen, and no big wins in his career.

Cotto was the Only MW champ who actually won a Title vs a MW Champ, in 2 fights dude made a better 160 then all them guys so yeah a win over a HOF/ATG type fighter who happens to be the Legit Champ and beat the Legit Champ is s better Title win and more relevant.

As gar as GGG with the WBA GGG agrees to step aside and not fight, while the actual Champ was fighting better names and unification fights. As a mandatory all you have to do is enforce your shot.

You can't duck someone who agrees they don't wanna fight you, that is a copout.

 

Alright.

But this is where you're wrong. Golovkin never took step aside money when Sturm was the WBA champ, Sturm was just allowed to avoid him and granted voluntary defences over and over again. And when Geale beat him to become the IBF&WBA champ, that's when the mando enforced, but he chose to drop the WBA title instead of defending it against GGG.

Also, offering someone 6 figures pay check to not fight him is the duck. Golovkin had to take it and wait if he wanted to win it against a big name. If he enforced the mandatory and press Cotto/Canelo to drop the title instead, he'd just be directly promoted to champ position and would never be a legit champ like you stated and would lose his chance at the lineal title altogether.

 

Martinez started this whole **** though and his ****ty promoter, dude wouldn't give up the belt or face any really dangerous middleweights (later in his career, don't pile on me now) and at the end lost to Cotto on a catchweight which has now spiralled into this mess and may keep on going.

I pray to God Khan doesn't win.

 

How are some of you excusing Canelo fighting a Glass Jawed Welterweight at a 'catchweight' no less. That is pathetic. :rofl

 

:deal

 

I think Canelo isn't afraid of Ggg, but he's not in complete control of his career decisions either. I think if he ends up beating an old Ggg several years down the road, he knows he won't be getting the respect of the fans, but the casual fans will be falling for the hype. Don't get me wrong, he is a very good fighter, turning out better than most expected, he passed some really hard tests, but just barely was able to beat them. Just barely, some even controversial to some. The fact is Canelo will be facing a real 160lber with real skills and real power, a guy who is still hungry despite being a champ and a guy that really should of been a gold medalist. No shame losing to a guy like Ggg!

 

He is build like a middleweight so technically there is nothing wrong with him being a champion at MW. The problem is his cojones and his team with those ridiculous excuses for not fighting the man of the division who happens to be his mandatory and most worthy opponent to date at MW. So yes, he is a disgrace and he has and will drive fans away from boxing.

 

Yes Canelo has a huge size advantage over Khan, and it's a mismatch. But vs a smaller fighter he's not getting an advantage weighing 155 rather than 160. The worst you can say about Canelo insisting on 155 is he's avoiding true middleweights, and obviously Golovkin.

But Cotto's first defence of the 'middleweight' championship was much more disgraceful. He forced a natural middlweight in Geale to drain himself to 157, and therefore beat a guy who wasn't in condition to absorb the punches he could had he been able to weigh 160. It's forcing a bigger man to weaken himself so you have an advantage that wasn't done before around 2010, and is so unfair and even unsafe, and makes a mockery of divisional championships.

 

HE'S NEVER EVEN HAD A TITLE DEFENSE YET AT MW !!

You’re saying he has no cojones, yet he just fought and beat a Future HOF in Cotto, he cleaned out 154 and fought Floyd Mayweather to a draw while drained at a ridiculous catchweight and you’re saying he has no cojones? In a month this guy will have as many fights as Floyd Mayweather does and he’s 25 years old!

Meanwhile the former MW champ (Cotto) had no intentions of ever fighting GGG, he didn’t even pay the sanctioning fees for the Canelo fight lol. Yet you’re mad at Canelo for not fighting GGG as his FIRST Defense of his newly won MW title at a weight he’s never fought at?

 

no more of a disgrace than ggg is to boxing

 

Sorry But I'm hoping & praying Khan has the fight of his life & destroys Pollo & his Mother hen Oscar. Khan has to knock Pollo out because theres no way he'd get a decision in Vegas.