Is Canelo all time top 10

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Wildcat, Sep 11, 2021 at 5:09 AM.

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  1. Anima

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  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Canelo's head movement and defense is far more advanced and technical than Ali's was. Canelo developed his defense skills in the gym with specific drills that work on head movement that make evading shots like second nature to him. Ali on the other hand improvised in the ring and did a lot of showboating. Ali in his prime had quick upper body reflexes, and he had such fast legs that he could make guys miss by pulling straight back while dancing. He was very hard to hit primarily due to his quick feet.

    Ali made a lot of his opponents miss punches wildly by anticipating shots and pulling straight back while moving, he made a lot of fighters look silly. But at the same time, Prime Ali was dropped by Henry Cooper with that big left hook, while Canelo has never been dropped in his entire career. Canelo trains harder when it comes to developing his defense fundamentals. Ali did not develop his head movement in the gym like Canelo does, with Ali it came natural to him as an extension of his footwork. Ali was gifted with incredible movement from his legs and that created the opportunities to mix in the head movement and pulling back while he was already being elusive. Ali improvised in the ring naturally, a lot of his head movement was part of his showboating and was combined with constant movement. Canelo's head movement and defensive mastery was developed in the gym and is far more technical and robust. But who's head movement is "better" is a matter of opinion. Ali was very effective making people miss, but he was not an inside fighter like Canelo, and Ali never really relied on his head movement to the extent that Canelo does. For Ali, the constant lateral movement and long reach was enough to frustrate his opponents, the head movement was really just the icing the cake and was part showmanship. But for Canelo, the head movement is more integral to his style, as he doesn't have the legs that Ali had to dance all night, nor does he have the long reach to control opponents with the jab like Ali could.

    So Canelo's head movement is more technical, more developed in the gym than Ali's was. Ali's head movement was used on top of a lot of dancing, so their styles and how they used head movement were really too different to argue one was better than the other.
     
  3. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 The Original 101.3 Full Member

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    :risas3:
     
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  5. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 The Original 101.3 Full Member

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    Seen it many times, thanks
     
  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Where was the head movement there? Didn't see Canelo ever get dropped like that. If Prime Ali's head movement was so much better than Canelo's, he would never have gotten dropped like that with a left hook that Canelo woulda seen coming a mile away. Levels.
     
  7. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 The Original 101.3 Full Member

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    Where was this god like head movement against GGG?

    He got banged many a time in that first fight

    How come he didn't see those coming a mile away?

    Did he leave his contact lens at home that night?

    Levels my arse
     
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  8. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    More advanced and technical ? Are you SERIOUS ? Did you not see Ali's head movement against Sonny Liston ? Yes Ali leaned back and used footwork to avade some shots but he also slipped shots at close range and/or duck them, pivot and reset and turned his head to make shots miss their target like childsplay. He also in an unorthodox way turned southpaw very briefly a lot of times when he dodged punches to allow more range for his head and upperbody to move more ways to move out of range. And oh yeah he used pure head movement to slip listons jabs a lot. You're smoking crack. Ali had better head movement.
     
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  9. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 The Original 101.3 Full Member

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    An absolute Canelo cuck

    Im stunned somebody would use that clinched ending to a post saying "levels" against Ali

    The same guy claims Lomachenkos movement isn't natural despite the guy doing dance/ballet from an early age

    The same guy claims Canelo taught Floyd how to fight on the ropes

    Despite Floyd being towards the end of his career, i mean of course he never learnt how to do so prior
    Despite numerous world titles

    He learnt that very night
     
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  10. ShovelHook

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    It's called fighting hard hitting heavyweights. Canelo doesn't clown around like Ali did either, so he gives less chances. We all know Ali was better anyway, can't believe you're debating this.
     
  11. Bumnard_Hopkins

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    Canelo's head movement and defence is better than Ali's.
     
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  12. shadow111

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    Take notes :


    He made GGG miss plenty of times. You must not have been paying attention.
     
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    Giving less chances = better. And Ali wasn't clowning around when he got dropped by Cooper. He just forgot to give head movement there, Canelo never forgets to give head movement because it's been ingrained into his style in the gym and it's become second nature to him. Ali's head movement was improvised, Canelo's head movement has been trained and developed in the gym.
     
  15. BCS8

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    All time? That's a super high bar to meet.

    Really damn good? Yes. Ginger's defence is top shelf.
     
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