Is Canelo all time top 10

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me Full Member

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    Absolutely not, hundreds of boxers have better head movement.

    What? :dunno

    This is like asking if Felix Sturm had the p4p best uppercut of all time. Like...uh, no...guess he didn't have the absolute worst ever, I guess, or close to it, but...what? Among the best, are you kidding? So random.
     
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  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Please, stop being ridiculous. This topic isn't about just "head movement" generally it's about "head movement during defense". Anotherwords making people miss punches and look silly with well-timed instinctive head and upper body movement. How many of those guys created the kind of highlights that Canelo did when he made Jacobs look silly missing one punch after another in a sequence?
     
  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Duran had sublime head movement. Locche too. Toney. Tyson was very adept at the weave and bob. There are lots of others. From more recent times. The Grandmaster



    Clenelo can't fight
     
  4. Young Terror

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    Fool even a guy like Pazienza could make a guy miss when he was just focused on doing that it doesnt mean one has the best head movement or the best defense but hey you think that Canelo teached Floyd how to fight ffs... youre a lost cause.
     
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  5. IntentionalButt

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    :thinking: You delineate between "head movement" and "head movement during defense" in the context of boxing? Please walk me through how the former would be remotely relevant in a fight, ever. That is, if you aren't actively defending, how head movement matters in the slightest.

    When people say one, it it implied that they mean the other, because there's no such meaningful thing as effective offensive or passive head movement. It is something that literally only factors into defense, in this sport.
     
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  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Very true but Tyson didn't use head movement "during defense", Tyson used head movement in the process of walking forward, closing the distance and setting up punches.
    His name is "Canelo" not "Clenelo". And he sure as hell can fight, he beat the crap out of GGG Mexican Style in the rematch.
     
  7. Serge

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    :facepalm:
     
  8. IntentionalButt

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    Since when is this something Canelo's even particularly known for?
     
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  9. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There is a very clear difference between just regular "head movement" and "head movement during defense". Head movement during defense means head movement when you're not in the act of punching. It also implies upper body movement as opposed to just moving your head to get into punching range.
     
  10. IntentionalButt

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    You can defend while punching and punch while defending - that's literally what counter-punchers base their entire style on..

    Any head movement used in boxing is, ultimately, defensive in nature - whether slipping an individual punch from the opponent, or as a prophylactic/butt-covering measure. Still defense.

    End of the day, all semantics - but you're the one splitting hairs as though anybody needs a higher degree of specificity than just plain "head movement" to refer to defensive head movement (which sounds so redundant I feel ridiculous typing it out). That is absolutely not the custom when discussing the sport.
     
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  11. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Take notes :



    In the opening sequence, Canelo made Jacobs miss 8 punches in a row by using head movement without throwing a single punch. That's "head movement during defense".

    Find me highlights of other fighters from the past making a highly skilled fighter like Jacobs miss 8 punches in a row with head movement in a sequence without throwing a single punch.

    I'm not playing semantics. I'm referring to the OP which clearly made this topic about "head movement during defense".
     
  12. George Crowcroft

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    Checkmate mutha****er.
     
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  13. George Crowcroft

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    I don't think I have to tell you how upsetting this is to me...
     
  14. BoxingDialogue

    BoxingDialogue Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The Jacobs fight was one of the greatest displays of head movement in boxing history
     
  15. IntentionalButt

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    Feature; not a bug. An ellipsis clipped at 2/3 has a bit of caustic edge to it that a conventional full triple dot trail-off lacks. IMO..

    :D
     
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