is canelo ducking by asking $200 million for benavidez and $150 million for crawford

I agree. He's at the tail end of his career.

If he's going to take a risk, he wants the reward to be there.

Sucks for the fans but that's how it is.

Pro boxing is really prize fighting more than a sport like football or baseball and boxers, once they get established, generally try to maximize their earnings while they can.

 

Yup.....

 

Of course it is. Asking that astronimical figure is his way of saying he doesn't want it, knowing no one would foot that amount. And for you guys saying he's in 'retirement mode', then he needs to drop his belts.

 

I would rather him fight Benavidez, but as long as he fights his mandatories he's entitled to keep the belts he defends. He declined to face Scull to defend the IBF title so he was rightfully stripped of that belt.

As for the high amount he is asking for to fight Benavidez, I personally think it is insultingly high but you always want to start high when negotiating. I think $80 to $100 is a reasonable amount for the magnitude of that fight. Just my opinion...

 

What's his highest purse? THAT is the place to start. But there's no gurantee Canelo vs Benavidez does even enough to even allow such a purse. Benavidez has to get paid as well.

 

As Canelo has said on many occasions "I can do what I want".

He could fight a janitor and still generate views from his loyals fans.

There is no sanctioning body powerful enough to make him do anything. If anything, the boxing organizations, referees, promoters and venues all make money when he fights and won't upset that apple cart.

That leeds to a kind of soft corruption where he earns the close decisions and fights whoever he wants.

Maybe that's not the way it should be, but that's the way it is.

He's at the tailend of his career. You won't have to put up with it for too much longer.

We'll see who becomes the next cash cow for the sport.

 

His “loyal fans” are why his PPV numbers have been dropping the last few years. Of course he’ll always have a large following, but with his PPV sales going south, and he’s being brutalized on most forms of social media for his blatant ducking, he could easily fix that with a little bit of humble pie and confidence. But his sales are what drives his purse. And aside from a few very large sellers, he’s not the seller he’s been made out to be.


vs Floyd Mayweather- 2,200,000(Showtime – September 14, 2013)

vs Alfredo Angulo – 350,000(Showtime – March 8, 2014)

vs Eryslandy Lara – 300,000(Showtime – July 12, 2014)

vs Miguel Cotto – 900,000(HBO – November 21, 2015)

vs Amir Khan – 600,000(HBO – May 7, 2016)

vs Liam Smith – 300,000(HBO – September 17, 2016)

vs Julio César Chávez Jr. – 1,000,000(HBO – May 6, 2017)

vs Gennadiy Golovkin – 1,300,000(HBO – September 16, 2017)

vs Gennadiy Golovkin II – 1,100,000(HBO – September 15, 2018)

vs Caleb Plant – 800,000(Showtime – November 6, 2021)

vs Dmitry Bivol – 520,000(Dazn – May 7, 2022)

vs Golovkin III – 550,000(Dazn – September 17, 2022)

vs John Ryder – 350,000(Dazn – May 6, 2023)

vs Jermell Charlo – 700,000(Showtime – September 30, 2023)

I really don’t care much about following cash cows because they are popular. I just want good fights, not easy paydays for those who stopped giving a damn about fans.

 

You are a boxing fan. You want good fights. I want that too but I've been watching boxing long enough to be a little cynical about it.

I honestly think Canelo is a lost cause. He has a legacy and money. I don't see him chasing challenging fights at this point.

Mayweather toward the end of his career was in the same position.

I honestly don't think he cares that much what you want or what social media says about him.

The guy is going to do his thing, continue padding his record and making some more money.

He'll retire, healthier and wealthier than most.

I guess I'm saying, don't get your hopes up and you won't be disappointed.

 

well said

 

You’ve no idea what you’re talking about.

Canelo and Benavidas have cleared out SMW.

Canelo has got no other credible fighters to fight at the weight.

He’s open to fighting some of his other mandatories, but not Benavidas, who was his mandatory.

He is 100% ducking him.

 

Unfortunately, that isn't the way negotiations will begin. Not that I agree, but his minimum purse has been established by his most recent contract and that evens out to about $35 million per fights against the likes of Berlanga, Munguia, etc...

Now, considering the clamor and insistance on Ginger fighting Benavidez by fight fans, the projected PPV numbers for that fight is 2 to 3 times as many as his last 2 or 3 fights(not combined obviously).

Now, asking for a stupidly high figure such as $200 million leads the Ginger Haters to think he's pricing himself out because he's scared. I'm neither a hater nor a fanboy and I think he's indirectly stating that in order to fight Benavidez he's gotta be offered way more than $50 million. I honestly feel he'll do it for 100 million or just a little over.

Is he or the fight worth that much??? I don't know, but I do know that with today's illegal streaming, those 1 and 2 million PPV buys are a thing of the past. At least that's my perspective.

 

In my reply I posted two questions, neither of them were answered.

Have Benevidez and Crawford expressed interest in fighting each other? It not then it doesn't sound like they are the most convincing fighters out there and therefore Canelo should not grant them an audience.

 

What other Canelo fights have had this type of negotiation and demands? I have never heard of his purse being an issue ever, the fights just get made real easy. Even for the GGG fights, none of this starting at 200m and working down, its all bs and just another excuse to duck David. Its called pricing yourself out. The 200m isn't a starting point, its a dead end, basically saying leave me alone.

 

You're comparing Ginger now to Ginger of old when it comes to negotiating his price and demands. The current Ginger is no longer hungry nor looking to achieve greatness because he feels that he already has achieved it(I'm not saying that he has, by the way).

He fought GGG for the first time 7 years ago, when he was 28 I believe, his prime. He's now 34, only getting older, slower and is no longer trying to prove anything other that he calls the shots when it comes to his fights, which in truth, he actually does. He's gone on record and said that he's calling all the shots for his fights, he can't get any more direct than that.

Benavidez is the fighter who is currently in his prime and is 6'2", I believe 6 to 7 inches taller than Ginger and is naturally a heavier dude and probably the hardest puncher he will have faced. Of coarse he's gonna try to get as much as he can if he's gonna put his OLD FIGHTER'S body through that war.

The guy's been fighting as a pro since he was 15 or 16, can't remember, I highly doubt he's afraid to fight anyone, but he's also older, wiser and seems to have people advising him who care about him and want the best financial deal for him. I don't hear about Ginger having financial issues, drug issues, having a gambling problem, or womanizing and having kids out of wedlock, such as De La Hoya.

I remember back in the day, after one of JCC fights when he was still a feared bad ass, he was asked, "who do you wanna fight next?" His reply was, "I'll fight anyone including Mike Tyson, as long as the price is right". I honestly believe a little over $100 million is what Ginger will accept to fight Benavidez.

I'm not trying to defend Ginger from you or anyone calling him a Duck a chicken sh!t or any of that. He's not my hero bro, I'm just simply looking at it from a business perspective of things, not from a hater or angry boxing fan's perspective.

If memory serves me right, there was/were issues with PBC wanting to pay him less than his guarantee for the Charlo fight(can't remember who it was) and he wouldn't budge. I believe he was threatening to go with Eddie Hearn, but PBC caved in and met his demands.

 

Thats a lot of words to try and justify Canelo pricing himself out for someone who apparently isn't even a fan of Canelo. heh. Imagine if you were?

Do you notice he mentions nothing about purse numbers? Its because it never even got to that stage. Canelo shut it down. He does not want to fight David period.