Is Canelo overrated?

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  1. GGGunbeatable

    GGGunbeatable Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I remember lots of hate against Canelo many years ago.

    "He couldn't knock out Mosley"

    "Trout won" (LOL)

    "Lara won"

    "He couldn't knock out Cotto"

    "Didn't even win land a punch against Floyd"

    "Is a big bully against small guys like Khan and Smith"

    "Khan outclassed him before the knockout"

    On the other hand, Canelo is seen like the biggest thing in boxing right now. What is right, what is wrong? He is the biggest star in terms of PPV, but is he also the biggest talent and star boxing has to offer?
     
  2. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Canelo isn't P4P #1
    Canelo and ANY OTHER FIGHTER for that matter will have a hard time KO people who fight to survive.
    Canelo does have one of the bst resumes in the game right now.
    Canelo is a true professional and he clearly takes his craft very serious.

    I don't think he's overrated, but he definitely gets underrated by many of his haters.

    Some even say that a fighter of Lemieux's caliber would be the favorite against an elite fighter like Canelo.. Laughable.
     
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  3. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

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    He deserves credit for the names he's fought. When I first watched the Lara fight I thought Lara was clearly robbed but on multiple viewings changed my mind.

    The only thing I don't like is when he first started he was trying to be a purist. Even shoulder rolled but after Floyd and Lara he immediately started campaigning himself as a guy who's willing to fight and go out on his shield because he's not that great technically.

    People need to stop using the Trout fight btw. If you're one of those people saying GGG clearly beat Jacobs then leave this fight out of your reasoning to degrade Canelo. Already shows you have double standards.

    He's not the biggest talent but it goes back to the original statement. His resume is vastly superior than most of all active fighters currently and this is why his stock is higher than most.

    AJ will be boxings biggest star after this Wlad fight and if he can secure the Fury fight (being that Fury gets off his ass and backs up his talk) that will be the big fight as well. This is only because the UK has the best market right now for boxing.

    Canelo is the last star with the American/Mexican market backing. So in conclusion, (I think Manny hurt himself with Horn) Canelo is the biggest star in terms of PPV but not in terms of talent. My prediction is he's soon to be eclipsed by AJ.
     
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  4. ElCyclon

    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Overrated by some, underrated by others.
     
  5. GGGunbeatable

    GGGunbeatable Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I still don't get how anyone scored that fight for Trout.

    Every boxer has looked "bad" at one point. GGG looked "bad" against Jacobs because everyone had high expectations or does not appreciate good fights anymore. Kovalev looked bad, Ward, Floyd, everyone had a bad night once in their career.

    Canelo might have looked "bad" against Lara as some people say but definetly not against Trout. It was a clear win.
     
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  6. Gil Gonzalez

    Gil Gonzalez Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I've never heard of anyone rating him very highly. Except for Floyd and GGG haters of course.
     
  7. ElCyclon

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    He is currently included in most top ten PFP lists.
     
  8. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Well you'll notice "who" says this then see "who" they support. It was a clear win and it was more clear than GGG/Jacobs. Yes G fans I'm being a hypocrite with my statement but it's the truth. Even compare the KD's.
     
  9. BCS8

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    Canelo is somewhat overrated in that people thinks he beats Golovkin at 160 when he's never actually fought a true 160 fighter at 160. He's also overrated in terms of following, his star pull is enormous in relation to his abilities - let's be honest. He's got literally hordes of followers. I also don't like his out of ring shennanigans wrt GGG especially, although (I can't prove this) I suspect Oscar de la Fishnets is more responsible for these than Canelo.

    That all said: he's taken on the stiffest challenge he could when he was in his boxing diapers. He's got a good chin, good power, good speed, and he always comes to fight in tiptop shape. He's got good counterpunching abilities and upper body movement. This all adds up to being an exceptional fighter. I think that's plain to see. Credit where it's due.

    That's why we all really want to see him against Golovkin before GGG develops arthritis and needs a walker to get to the ring. I hope to God that Oscar isn't the slimy weasel I think he is and that their September clash does happen. :cool1:
     
  10. Gil Gonzalez

    Gil Gonzalez Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    That's because Golden Boy put him in the Ring list, and HBO is behind him. That's marketing, not praise.
     
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  11. C.J.

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    Canelo got CLOWNED & EMBARASSED bu Mayweather
    He arguably got beat by both Lara & Trout
    He's acted like coward the was he Challenged the ducked GGG. Oh & don't say Oscar MADE him do that ROFLMAO. No FIGHTER lets any cross dressing promoter do that to him. He obviously was shprt changed when they handed out the cojones He got peanuts LOL
     
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  12. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Yes. He's good but overrated. He's built a great career off of his ethnicity and beating up smaller older once great fighters (Cotto, Mosley) or just smaller (Khan), even losing to one (Mayweather), and getting a gift over the only talented guy his own size whom he ever fought (Lara). Trout and Kirkland were fine but not the kind of wins you become a superstar off of. I'd have been much more impressed if he'd fought Andrade or Charlo. If he beat Golovkin, maybe he'd deserve all the money and fame he's been getting.
     
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  13. puncherschance

    puncherschance Boxing Addict Full Member

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    as a technical fighter i do not think he is overrated. canelo is a highly skilled elite fighter, he took on challenges and fights that were uncomfortable for him(trout, mayweather, lara), a rarity these days.

    what makes him overrated is people thinking he can compete at 160 without ever having even one test at the weight.
     
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  14. Bogotazo

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    He's not overrated but he's overhyped compared to what he's accomplished. He never dominated in his biggest fights. Lost to Floyd very wide and arguably lost to Lara. He has typically fought the best, but he didn't really earn his stardom. He just has a celebrity promotion behind him. I mean his biggest win before fighting Floyd was Trout, sneaking by him, and that justified the biggest PPV revenue at the time? Casuals recognize him but overvalue his significance in the landscape of the sport. Thurman's not far off in terms of recent quality wins but he's no PPV star. Kovalev was more impressive at 175 and didn't get a fraction of the hype. So while most fans rate him fine, as one of the best around with some obvious flaws that consistently hurt his performances, the hype far exceeds the quality.
     
  15. IsaL

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    The reason he is overhyped is because he is one of the most entertaining fighters today.

    Not sure why you give him flack for not dominating elite opposition?

    He had a close fight with Lara, Lara is considered the #1 JrMW, and Lara is an extremely defensive fighter who went on survival mode after round 3.
    He had somewhat of a close fight against Trout, who was at his very prime of his career just having fought and schooled Miguel Cotto.
    He had a somewhat close fight against Cotto, but that's Cotto for you. Cotto gave FMJ a fight and busted FMJ more than he did Canelo.

    You do realize that GGG arguably lost to a lesser fighter in Jacobs.. This shet happens when you fight top quality opponents. Sure he can look like a devastating KO fighter if he chose the GGG or Edwin Valero route, but this man challenges himself.

    Your comment about Canelo not earning his stardom is beyond ridiculous. When he came into the scene he was being hated on, but people changed their tune and started appreciating him immediately after the Trout and Lara fights. His willingness to get in the ring with the best is what earned him his stripes, even if he had to concede weight or pay as he did with FMJ and Cotto, and for taking high risk low reward fights against Lara and Trout.

    You're looking at Canelo with Hater Goggles.. Good luck with that man.
     
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  16. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    Canelo is a very good fighter. Both he and GGG receive criticism for failing to secure their fight. That is why he is overrated and underrated by some depend on which sides you're on.
    As for most knowledgable fans and publications, he earned his top 10 p4p ranking.
     
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