Is Canelo Still The P4P Number 1?

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  1. uranage

    uranage Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He's undisputed at 168, until proven otherwise.

    Your claim, about a CAREER 175 lber who's been fighting at that weigh class for 8 year moving down...don't make me laugh.
     
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  2. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile Taste it all! Full Member

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    He is until I sober up.
     
  3. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am juggernaut, I am very juggernaut Full Member

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    Sure, why not? It's not like P4P actually means anything. Any old flash harry can be on there providing they aren't Eastern European badasses that actually need to be genuinely great to even get a sniff on there.
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his ├žock 'macho' that's ok by me Full Member

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    Of course he isn't, wtf.

    How is this even a question barely a week after he arguably got shut out?
     
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  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Undisputed doesn't mean you beat everyone. It means you have beaten the belt holders in the division.

    Almost every undisputed champion in history lost they belts to a challenger.
     
  6. Alo2006

    Alo2006 R.I.P Sean Taylor Full Member

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    No, Crawford is #1 now.
     
  7. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Canelo never was #1. He lost to GGG twice regardless of what the judges say, and has had a few solid wins mixed in with some cherry picking belt grabs. Here are a list of those ahead of him:

    Usyk - undeniably better. Cleared out Cruiserweight against a murderers row of much higher quality than anything Canelo has fought, and won without judges. Then went to HW and beat the champ.

    Loma - fighting guys much bigger in a relative sense than Bivol over Canelo, he has dominated all comers, apart from the fight against Lopez where he was injured and still arguably won half of the rounds and in a more dominant fashion.

    Beterbiev - will show the unbelievers against Joe Smith. This man is avoided for very good reason. The most destructive boxer today.

    Crawford - not a great resume but has shown glimpses of greatness. Needs to fight Spence.

    Inoue - the lighter weight classes generally get underrated, but he has dominated at multiple weight classes without A-side judges.

    Honourable mentions:
    Tyson Fury - needs to fight Usyk to cement his legacy, otherwise he can claim to beating old Wlad and Deontay.
    Spence - quality fighter who needs to fight Crawford.
    Chocolatito - another small fighter. Possesses beautiful boxing skills fighting a who's who of quality opponents.
    Bivol - quality technician but needs to fight Beterbiev.
     
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  8. Serge

    Serge Kiko ''Money'' Paul Staff Member

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    I can't really disagree with any of that.

    Is some of the aforementioned fighters had the luxury of that ginger privilege and stacked deck of his they'd still be undefeated and sitting atop of the P4P throne.
     
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  9. uranage

    uranage Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I like how you ignore the other part of my statement...it's ok, I'd ignore it to. ;)
     
  10. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    You already know I favour Bivol at 168, that's how the posts started, so it hasn't been ignored you weirdo.
     
  11. uranage

    uranage Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I wrote:

    "From 168 & below, no one can beat him so it's not like the Bivol loss changes that."

    So then you wrote Bivol at 168 can do it so I begun to clown you (quite easily really) that a career 175lber who has fought his entire career at that weight for 8 years in his 30's is going to move down 7 lbs & be effective.
     
  12. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I know what you wrote, because I quoted it, and I know what I wrote, because I wrote it lol.

    Bivol would be a favourite over Canelo at 168, he's just won a dominant decision over him at 175.

    You did very easily start to act like a clown, I found it a bit weird tbh.
     
  13. uranage

    uranage Well-Known Member Full Member

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    But he doesn't fight there...there in lays the weirdness of your statement.
     
  14. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I know he doesn't. But he's already proven to be a class above Canelo and I don't expect 7 pounds to change that.
     
  15. snake33

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    No, he lost. Several times.
    And P4P is a meaningless subjective exercise.
    We need less actual belts (no super, interim, standby, Mayan, etc.) not imaginary ones.
    While AJ had a lot of belts he was still an alphabet champ.