Is Canelo the Greatest Super Middleweight of all time?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Joeywill, Sep 18, 2022.

Who is the greatest super middleweight of all time?

This poll will close on Feb 2, 2050 at 8:49 AM.
  1. Canelo Alvarez

    2.7%
  2. Joe Calzaghe

    74.1%
  3. Steve Collins

    0.5%
  4. Lucien Bute

    0.5%
  5. Andre Ward

    16.8%
  6. Carl Froch

    1.1%
  7. Sven Ottke

    1.6%
  8. Nigel Benn

    0.5%
  9. Chris Eubank

    1.6%
  10. Mikkel Kessler

    0.5%
  1. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They should kill off 168 as a weight class. Its diluted 175 and 160 for decades
     
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  2. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, that's steam coming from your vag getting hot and wet seeing i'm here for you to try and beg for attention from lapdog...
     
  3. drenlou

    drenlou Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Relax Lance, i dont want you to stroke out. Its only 9 pages!
     
  4. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Pay attention to me!!!" :eaea:
    Get some humility FFS. Are you proud the way you post like an antagonizing spoiled 9yo??
     
  5. drenlou

    drenlou Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    9 pages, almost 10. The heck.
     
  6. BUDW

    BUDW Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joe beat him like a DRUM
     
  7. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You’ve obviously misread the thread title.
     
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  8. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That wasn't at Super Middleweight, when RJJ was in his Prime. And RJJ still dropped Joe and had him hurt in Round 1. Also RJJ who had a suspect chin at that point in his career was competitive in that fight and was never in danger of being stopped.
     
  9. shadow111

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    He accomplished more than anyone in SMW history simply by becoming Undisputed, and in the manner in which he did it. Wide decision wins over Callum Smith and GGG (favorable GGG judging notwithstanding). No one has ever beaten either guy besides Canelo and Canelo beat each of them in dominant one-sided fashion. Brutal KOs vs Fielding, Saunders and Plant. Saunders and Plant were both undefeated Champions both were brutally stopped by Canelo.
     
  10. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    It's very hard to make a case for.
     
  11. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's actually a very easy case to make. He's the most accomplished SMW ever. No one's ever been Undisputed. Simple. Most Accomplished = Greatest. And, on top of that, it's not like any of his SMW Title fights have been even remotely close or controversial. Every fighter he's fought at SMW was a World Title Holder at the time he fought him, most of them undefeated (in GGG's case undefeated outside of the time he beat him). Every fight he's had at SMW was either a wide, dominant one-sided schooling or a brutal stoppage.

    You can't do better than being Undisputed and having every fight he's ever had at SMW be one-sided and/or brutal stoppages.
     
  12. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We’ve debated this before.

    It always stirs up a great debate.

    Canelo is a great fighter.

    Yes, he’s undisputed. And that’s great. But does that make him the SMW GOAT?

    The stats are impressive, but he’s not beaten any great fighters or done anything out of the ordinary.

    Of course accomplishments are important. But then so is H2H ability, along with who you beat and when, as well as the manner of the victories.

    Can we really claim that he’s better than prime versions of Joe, Roy, Ward and Toney, on the grounds that he’s undisputed and they weren’t?

    I think there’s a lot more to look at.

    It would be interesting to list their best wins, before then looking at how skilled they were.

    H2H ability is very important to me.

    I’ve never seen a better fighter at SMW than a 25 year old Roy Jones.
     
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  13. BCS8

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    LOL I'm surprised that as many as 3% voted for Canelo. It's Super Joe and it isn't close.
     
  14. Reinhardt

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    Hmm? you know Kessler wasn't a chump, I think you may be right ,he could take Canelo and of course I'd take Ward over him.
     
  15. Loudon

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    As per my previous post, it’s not very easy.

    Again, it’s not as simple as saying that he’s the GOAT because he’s undisputed.

    And if you’re focusing on statistics like him being undisputed etc, then the title defences of Ottke and Joe also have to be very impressive to you.

    Have his low number of fights surpassed the longevity of Ottke and Joe?

    How good are his wins?

    Fielding wasn’t a good win.

    The Smith win was very impressive.

    How good is Plant?

    BJS was one of my favourite fighters, but he was only at SMW because he could no longer comfortably make MW. He was also out of form.

    How much does the win over GGG boost his SMW resume, considering the fact that GGG has never officially fought at SMW before, where he only fought there as that’s the only weight where he could get another crack at Canelo?

    I don’t even think that Canelo can make MW anymore. So due to him feeling aggrieved at their previous 2 fights, GGG was forced to fight him there.

    Of course, it’s all subjective. But IMHO, Canelo is only in the running for the being labelled the GOAT, again behind Roy, Joe and Ward.