Is Carl Froch the Best British Supermiddleweight ever?

No because Froch wasn't known outside his own family, hadn't beaten any prime big names, Reid was way past his best and he was going up in weight to fight the 175 champ in Hopkins.

There is nothing Froch brings to the table that Calzaghe hasnt seen before.

 

Is that the same Reid that beat Calzaghe, and then got jobbed by the judge's ?

 

Yes the same Reid but Calzaghe beat him 8 years prior to Froch. Plus Lacy had stopped Reid 2 years prior to Froch.

28 when he fought Calzaghe, 36 when he fought Froch bit of a difference don't you think?

 

The judges aren't always correct, and whilst Reid may have slipped between Calzaghe and Froch, many think reid should have gotten the nod against Calzaghe.

 

So did I.

It was like WW3 in my house as the mrs whilst not a boxing fan is Welsh.

Therefore when I scored it 115-113 to Reid yet Calzaghe got the nod I wasn't happy

 

No he is good but not on the level of the boys below

JC.
Benn.
Eubank.
Watson.

 

you're criticizing froch for not rematching 2 inactive fighters you chump. not his fault.

 

I had Froch about a round down going into the 12th.He was systematically beating Taylor up from the middle rounds and eventually scored the ko.Froch beat Dirrell imo.Froch beat Johnson fairly and Johnson over the last ten years has given everyone a tough fight including unbeaten at the time Cloud.

 

Froch would have beaten Benn imo.The Froch jab as well as ring intelligence,strength and conditioning would have given Benn big problems.Froch would knock Watson out and with the exception of the first Benn fight Eubank beat no one.Eubank avoided the top fighters in the world and never held a legit world title.WBO wasn't a proper world title at the time.

 

Calzaghe UD 12 Mikkel Kessler - 2007 - WBA/WBC/WBO unification
117-111 / 116-112 x2

Mikkel Kessler UD 12 Carl Froch - 2010 - WBC Supermiddleweight title
115-113 / 116-112 / 117-111

Carl Froch UD 12 Mikkel Kessler - 2013 - WBA/IBF Titles
116-112 / 115-113 / 118-110

6 years after Calzaghe beat Kessler Froch finally managed to do the same . . . . after losing of course first time around

Calzaghe SD 12 Robin Reid - 1999 - WBO Supermiddleweight title
116 - 111 x3

Carl Froch RTD 5 Robin Reid - 2007 - British Supermiddleweight title

Calzaghe in my eyes won a close but clear decision against Robin Reid back in 99, Reid hot off a loss to Thulani Malinga came back with a vengeance after losing his WBC Title and made it a close heated battle but regardless lost to Branco post this fight until losing a highly controversial decision to Sven Ottke in Germany

Froch then 8 years later stops Robin Reid at british level after Reids lack of success against Jeff Lacy


Dont get me wrong Froch has been a warrior and had some amazing wins, but when its come to the same opposition Froch took them on much later than when Calzaghe beat them

Calzaghe should have been unified champion after beating Brewer/Mitchell (WBO/WBA/IBF) However Ottke had robbed their titles previously and refused to fight Calzaghe anywhere outside Germany.

When Calzaghe beat Hopkins in 2008 everyone called Hopkins shot . . . the same Hopkins who proved his worth in beating Pavlik, Pascal, Shumenov, Cloud whilst going the distance with Dawson and Kovalev in losing efforts recently and has only now slowed down 6 years after the Calzaghe loss

Meanwhile Froch struggled with an ageing journeyman in Glen Johnson

 

Ask yourself this. How could you not score rounds 2, 3, 4,7, 8 (

This content is protected

), 12 to Calzaghe? Remember Reid had a point deducted also.

I thought like 2 judges that Calzaghe was a clear winner and except for McCrory who scored a draw when sitting in a pro Reid crowd. All of the other studio guest scored wide for Calzaghe including Mcguigan and Eubank. I also think damaged handed (damaged his hand in round 4) Calzaghe won and I felt he won rounds 1, 9 (Reid did land the punch of the night in round 9 though) & 11.

Good away win for Calzaghe

 

Ask yourself this. How could you not score rounds 2, 3, 4,7, 8 (

This content is protected

), 12 to Calzaghe? Remember Reid had a point deducted also.

I thought like 2 judges that Calzaghe was a clear winner and except for McCrory who scored a draw when sitting in a pro Reid crowd. All of the other studio guest scored wide for Calzaghe including Mcguigan and Eubank. I also think damaged handed (damaged his hand in round 4) Calzaghe won and I felt he won rounds 1, 9 (Reid did land the punch of the night in round 9 though) & 11.

Good away win for Calzaghe

 

Work it out for yourself.
At that time Calzaghe was champ. The top contender was undefeated, unified champ Kessler. So Calzaghe could fight then little known British champ Froch, or unified champ Kessler. Doesnt look a duck to me.
Then after Kessler, Calzaghe could fight LHW champ Hopkins, who was a big name or the same then little known British champ Froch.
Doesnt look a duck to me there either

 

There is a reason why Froch is more liked in the States.

 

This is a shocking post.

You make it sound like Bute and Pascal just had a bad day at the office. Froch steamrollered the pair of them. Not many champs could do that to world class fighters in their prime.

And Froch did not get a gift against Groves - after a terrible he was coming on strong, as he usually does in his fights, and about to stop him. Groves was all over shop and gassing badly.

Likewise, Taylor. That fight was the stuff of legend, real Dauthille/LaMotta - Chavez/Taylor come from behind in dying seconds material. Criticising Froch for doing that misses the point completely.