Is carl froch the most accomplished active smw today?

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    love him or hate him, it is hard to disagree with his viewpoints.

    it is easy to say dirrell/ward/bute are clearly more skilled, but he has proven his worth now in many big fights at smw.

    IMO the only boxer more accomplished would be kessler, but since he could be retiring that leaves froch as having the best resume out there surely?

    magee, reid, pascal, taylor, dirrell, kessler, abraham.

    i am not too sure about his comments relating to the kessler fight however, he said that kessler admits froch should have won. ive not seen any kessler interview suggesting that much but why would he lie about it?

    for the record i do believe bute would stop him. but at the moment, noone has a better resume than him.
     
  2. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I would say Kessler has the best SMW resume for an active fighter. I know Kessler is out of action for a while but he hasnt announced that hes retired.
    Look at Kesslers resume -
    Siaca (WBA champ)
    Mundine away in Australia (2 time WBA champ)
    Lucas (former WBC champ)
    Beyer (WBC champ)
    Andrade when undefeated
    Sartison (now WBA regular champ)
    Haussler (former European champ)
    Froch (2 time WBC champ)
    not to forget he challenged Calzaghe away and lost to Ward away
    Thobela (former WBC champ)

    Remember that Dirrell hasnt actually done much as a SMW and Andrade has accomplished more.
    Abraham was a former MW champ who had no big name wins and hadnt done hardly anything at SMW.
    That dosent detract from good wins, but its just to point out how carried away people get by hype
     
  3. lufcrazy

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    obviously kessler. i count him as inactive since rumours are he will retire.

    and i agree about the individual wins not having huge resumes, but remember the ratings of all of them when he beat them.

    ward and reid are big domestic level opponents. pascal was a big prospect on his level. taylor, dirrell, kessler and abraham were all atleast top 10 oppinents.
     
  4. PowerPuncher

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    Accomplised is defined as skill/ability isn't it? So no, he isn't top 3 in that regard.

    Yes he has a good resume, in terms of who hes fought but so did Ross Purrity, no one says Ross Purrity is the most accomplised heavyweight of the 90s :lol:
     
  5. lufcrazy

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    nah i define accomplished as resume depth.

    and im not saying for the decade you goon. im saying today. considering his only real rivals are ward, bute, andrade, dirrell there isnt much contest.
     
  6. Imperial1

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    His resume is currently incomplete when its all said and done this resume right now could be the rough draft to a hall of fame one ..Give him some more time than it will be no question .
     
  7. elchivito

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    I think it's close with Kessler's, but when he's fought Pascal, Dirrell, Kessler, and Abraham, I'll give Froch the edge. The Kessler and Dirrell fights could of gone either way and Froch beat the future LHW king in Pascal at his own game and dominates AA. I'd say Froch is the most accomplished at the moment. We'll see when the tournament is over and what Bute has to say about this.
     
  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Thats what I mean about hype. Often fighters get rated higher due to hype. Yes they ARE good wins, but its easy to get carried away. Dirrell gets highly rated based on potential, but ratings should be based on results. Lots of fighters have potential they never live up to.
    Take Steiglitz he also has a fair resume with wins over Berrio, undefeated Gutknecht, undefeated Balzsay. Yes he has some losses but has started to come back. Steiglitz has done more at SMW than Dirrell, Taylor, Pascal or Abraham. Thats not saying that they might not be better wins or couldnt beat Steiglitz, its just to point out hype
     
  9. lufcrazy

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    also it is easy to dismiss accomplishments in other weight classes. AA and taylor were quite dominant middleweights. and they did justify their ranking.

    for example when calz stepped up to lhw, he didnt need to start at the beginning of the rankings, that is a legitimate shortcut.

    i would argue that taylors win over lacy is better than any victory that stieglitz has IMO.

    likewise AA's stoppage of taylor is better than any victory stieglitz has following on from the previous point.

    in terms of active resume, i rate andrade second behind froch considering opponents. and 4th considering the losses.

    at the moment active SMW's are either relatively untested or gatekeeprs. aside from froch that is. that is assuming kessler doesnt come back.
     
  10. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree. Not even sure I'd rate Kessler as more accomplished, despite holding the win over CF.
     
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    Montero you're so hot! Hit that speed bag big boi...
     
  12. booradley

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    Ya know, it's kind of funny! I remember a time when Froch yapped incessantly about every top guy he could think of. The general consenus on ESB at the time was that Froch was a loudmouthed nobody, and if any of those guys answered his challenge, he would get humiliated. Sometimes, we get it all wrong.
     
  13. lufcrazy

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    i actually thought reid would beat him way back when lol.

    i also thought pascal and taylor would beat him.

    since then i have favoured him in every fight and he hasnt let me down since.

    so i do expect him to do a number on johnson and then ward. surely he will then be classed as the number 1.

    it is hard to argu butes case with the quality in the super 6 atm.
     
  14. MaliBua

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    Get ****ing Real, Hill Billy is one dimensional Plodder and would have been nailed in ropes.
     
  15. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lower weight accomplishments tend to give fighters opportunities for when they move up. Weather they sink or swim is another thing. Some do and some dont. Abraham and Taylor havent.
    That fight was made as much for the reasons you note, but also because the fans wanted it, and Hopkins often fought fighters coming up in weight
    What :huh. Taylor lost at SMW to Pavlik and beats Lacy who was ruined by Calzaghe and looked lucky against Tsypko & Mendoza, struggled with Manfredo, then lost to Taylor, looked lucky again against Griffin and then got stopped by R Jones who many say was shot when Calzaghe beat him, although I dont completely agree with that
    Once again ridiculous. Taylor had lost at SMW to Pavlik and was coming off a KO loss to Froch.

    Steiglitz has beaten undefeated Balzsay who was WBO SMW champ and had beaten undefeated world rated Inkin. If Taylor or AA had of beaten Balzsay it would have been their best SMW victory.
    Steiglitz also beat undefeated Gutknecht who had beaten Balzsay

    I agree that many of them are untested at this time, which kind of backs up a thread I made some time back that the SMW division isnt as strong as it had been in some previous years. Froch (a fighter I follow and like) has one of the best resumes for beating Pascal who hadnt done much at SMW although in fairness has done well at LHW, Taylor who did little at SMW and had suffered 2 losses to Pavlik, Dirrell who has done little at SMW and AA who although was a MW champ, what was his big win? And who hasnt done well at SMW