Is Carlos Ortiz greater than Julio Cesar Chavez?

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  1. mostobviousalt

    mostobviousalt Active Member banned Full Member

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    Truth bomb
     
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  2. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Clearly.
     
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  3. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Based on what though? How does Chavez's resume compare with Carlos Ortiz's? I think Roy Jones is the best boxer to ever put on a pair of gloves, I'd be hard pressed ranking him above Harry Greb though.
     
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  4. lufcrazy

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    Then why did you label it a ranking of japanese fighters?
     
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  5. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Why did you add Carlos Ortiz(a Puerto Rican fighter) in the list of greatest Mexicans? I thought you were just taking the **** so I did the same.
     
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  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Nah I thought he was Mexican.
     
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  7. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    It's cool, I like educating the ignorant.
     
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  8. mcvey

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    Yup!
     
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  9. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The best guys Ortiz beat are better than the best guys Chavez beat so if you want to rank him ahead that's fine. On the other hand Chavez beat just as many top guys and he did it over more weight classes, more consistently and for longer. So I'd rate chavez ahead based on that.
     
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  10. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Both are ATG fighters.

    But, if I had to pick, it would Chavez.
     
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  11. lufcrazy

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    Aye it's a good feeling. I'm a maths teacher so I get to do that every day :)
     
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  12. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He also came over the pond and beat a very good British Lightweight in Dave Charnley.
     
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  13. lufcrazy

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    Not sold on the first part.

    Would it be outlandish to say Meldrick Taylor beats everyone Ortiz beat?

    I'm not saying I would say that, but if I did would I be saying something outlandish?
     
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  14. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think it would be. Loi is a hell of a fighter, Joe Brown an atg lightweight, Laguna brilliant. I wouldn't favor Taylor over any of those guys.

    But he's not that far below those guys.
     
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  15. lufcrazy

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    Don't talk to me about Loi. He's pissed me off lately.

    Brown is fantastic but also very inconsistent.

    Laguna is a quality operator though.

    It's hard when comparing ability wise. I mean is there any footage backing up the claim that those 3 are better than Taylor?
     
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