Is Chambers Admek a sign of how fighters body weights are being distorted today?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by janitor, Jun 16, 2012.


  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    Some people on this site are obsessed with fighters body weights to the extent that they cannot look beyond the numbers to see what is realy going on and in some cases can see little else in assesing a fantasy fight.

    This weekend we are going to see a fight between a former light heavyweight, and a fighter who has always been bracketed as a heavyweight, and the former lightheavyweight will outweigh the heavyweight by 20lbs.

    Is it perhaps time to acknowledge that weighing 225lbs today does not mean what it did 40 years ago?
     
  2. Danmann

    Danmann Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You think they announce weights heavier than they are to make fight more attractive?
    Possible, they do it with heights all the time. Holyfield was never over 6' 3/4", but was listed as high as 6'2"

    Weight lifting is big factor in boxer's weights. They go al out on powerlifting and bodybuilding last 15 years, and wind up adding some fat, or getting a bit too muscular.
     
  3. Bobo

    Bobo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    holyfield is definitely at least 6'2
     
  4. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Chambers and Adamek would be considered normal sized heavyweights in the 1970's, It not only weight here, Janitor, its size, length, tactics and power a smaller heavyweight must over come.
    The game has changed. Super sized heavyweight with skills who have a huge reach advantage are going to have their way jabbing, and often can follow it up with a hard cross or hook.
    There is an in shape 225 pounds, and a fat 225 pounds.
     
  5. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    David Tua comes into the ring with an average weight of 225 and tears thru the division with a fury. When he started coming in at 245 and more, it was borderline pathetic.

    Do I really need to recount the careers of Greg Page, Tony Tubbs, etc.? Or Lennox Lewis getting stopped twice while coming in at then career-high weights?

    Adamek's stint at heavyweight has been all about speed and movement. Now he's facing another pure boxer just as slick as he is. At the same time, he weighs in at 10 lbs over his average heavyweight weight.

    Of course we're gonna have questions. Is it just natural maturity or lack of motiviation? We'll know when the bell rings...
     
  6. Bobo

    Bobo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    someone did say adamek's trainer wanted him to bulk up.
     
  7. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    Correct, & 225lbs is actually lower than the 230lbs Bloodworth wanted from Adamek.
     
  8. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    But actualy, the height and reach of heavyweights has remained relativley constant since the 1920s.

    It is the weights that have changed.
     
  9. Philly-Tough

    Philly-Tough Active Member Full Member

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    I recall Jeff Lacy claiming he never lifted weights (in his life) up until like a few years ago. People are just built differently. Whilst there is no doubt the Chris Arreola's and Tyson Fury's of the world could work harder, they are still in good, fighing shape. Its just a shame when cardio stops fighters potential, because that at the end of the day can be addressed, whilst a lack of talent cannot.
     
  10. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    very true ....a lot of these heavyweight today are just blown up guys and they are not in tip top condition, the Klitschko's are but they would have trouble with real skilled hard hitting 200lbers problem in the 200lbers today are blown up middleweights
     
  11. Danmann

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    He isn't. I will give 2 reasons I say so, one, all through amateur career, Olympics, and early pro days, he was listed 6'3/4. Two, I saw him in New York, was standing next to him and he is no 6'2"

    Watch old Olympics and see him as under 6'1". Same for some early fights, He turned pro at 23, did not keep growing.
     
  12. Legend X

    Legend X Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I don't understand.
    225 pounds is 225 pounds. Unless gravity has changed on earth in the last 40 years, then it's the same.
     
  13. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    with sports science todays fighters can get better performance away from their natural fighting weight, but their performances still suffer, just less than for a 20th century fighter
     
  14. gentleman jim

    gentleman jim gentleman jim Full Member

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    After watching the fight last night I thought both men should fight at CW. Adamak didn't look good at 225lbs as it affected his speed and Chambers didn't look much better. I don't understand why weight is such an important factor nowadays. Bulking up isn't necessarily a good thing if it hinders a fighters best attributes. This isn't Football or Wrestling after all...it's Boxing. I shudder to think what a prime Louis or Ali or Frazier would've done to these two and they all would've weighed less than Adamek and about the same as Chambers. Maybe I'm showing my age but I think the old timers had it right.
     
  15. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    there is no goddamn way that Chambers lost that fight. Even with 1 arm he schooled him.