Is Chisora going to become the next Kevin Johnson ?

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  1. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Chisora's losses are in the double digits now and is nothing but a tough gatekeeper. In the past he was seen as a decent win on any mans resume but now as he's getting beaten by up by the likes of Agit Kabayel and Usyk and soon he's going to loose to barley world level Joseph Parker. Kevin Johnson is used as a measuring stick for new and upcoming heavyweights. Will this be Chisoras fate ?
     
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  2. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Kabayel was a LONG time ago now, and Usyk is a great fighter.

    In some ways, Chisora is fighting better than ever, and I don't discount an upset against Parker, who is sleepwalking through fights.

    By the way, Johnson's last fight was his best win in years against Hernandez. Probably too late for him to turn back time, but it seems an odd time to diss the guy.

    Just my opinions.
     
  3. Limerickbox

    Limerickbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Johnson shelled up and survived and picked up pay cheques for the last 5 years of his career.

    Chisora has been competitive in nearly all his losses.
     
  4. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Chisora is nowhere near becoming a non-competitive punching bag like Johnson became.

    Firstly, only Haye and Fury were able to completely outclass him in his entire career. Every other loss was competitive and we shouldn’t as fans be judging fighters on the number of losses. This is part of the reason why the best in boxing avoid each other like the plague.

    In recent fights, he beat Whyte in the first fight narrowly and was on the way to winning the second until he got careless.

    Now Whyte was considered as a top contender until getting laid out by Povetkin.

    Also, no one would at all be massively shocked if he beat Parker. Sports science has come along and his current programme is really suiting him.

    His wins over Szpilka and Price were impressive and he gave Usyk real problems for the first 4-5 rounds of their fight.
     
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  5. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Parker isn't barely world level. Not superstar, still he performed not bad vs Ruiz, A.J an Whyte.
    Usyk is more mobile than usually 217 lbs boxers. Good, successful experience with high level boxers, good gas tank.
    Chisora doesn't cherry picks and this too reason why x lost fights on fight record.
    If he cherry picked, most likely his record had looked good. Like 30-0-0 or better.
     
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  6. Boxing Gloves

    Boxing Gloves Boxing Addict Full Member

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    On paper the losses make him look like a journeyman almost but you have to put them in context. The vast majority of those losses he was competitive and some unlucky to not get the nod.

    The Whyte KO loss he was ahead on the cards for me. As for the Kabayel, Chisora has improved so much since then that I would heavily favour him in the rematch.
     
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  7. Safin

    Safin Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Why do people say stuff like this when they have no clue what they are talking about?

    Please tell me what has evolved in sport and exercise science from the start of Chisora's professional career until now.

    Even the drug protocols are largely still the same during this period. Very little has changed.

    However, what has changed is Chisora's approach. He is making the most of what is available to him. It has absolutely nothing to do with advancements in sport and exercise science.
     
  8. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Right now Chisora is still seen as a threat, he's not just brought in to take a beating and lose and give an up an comer an easy nights work like Johnson. Johnson probably after the Tor loss was seen as a guy used to pad another guys record, not a threat at all unlike Chisora who even now is still seen as a guy who can upset the odds even if he is a underdog.

    Even if Chisora loses to Parker he would have to lose badly, take a one sided beating to be seen as a Kevin Johnson type, if he's competitive then he'll still be seen as a dangerous gate keeper unlike Johnson who isn't expected to be a threat even to the pretenders now.
     
  9. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I am not sure you are reading between the lines of my post.

    When I refer to sports science and his current programme really suiting him, perhaps I need to spell it out directly.

    I am referring to the use modern PEDs, use of EPO and nutrition. All areas his new manager David Haye is an expert on. I have never seen Dereck, consistently in better shape than he has been since he has been with Haye.

    When boxers go to Spain and Portugal, they arent going there to lay on a sun lounger.


    This is relevant because Dereck has improved stamina now, and he looks more explosive. This is important when people are trying to write him off, and are uneducated because they think the number of losses is important.
     
  10. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    0 in resume is worshiped by a lot of fans and these will respect you more if you will rack for example 40-0-0 record with 40 KOs vs absolute walking punching bags.
    Such kind of ppl might " wrote off " another boxer who had even just lost decision vs famous boxer with belts.
     
  11. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Chisora had lost a lot fights vs well known boxers.
    Decision loss vs old Vitali ( 40 y. 7 months old Vitali ).
    1 lost fight vs A.J, 2 lost fights vs Fury, 1 lost fight vs Haye.
    Usyk.

    Okey, if he had fought instead of these boxers 6 bums, he had instead of 6 lost fights in fight record 6 wins via KO.
    This is what this is.
     
  12. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    The great Vitali at 40 beat him with one arm. The fact Chisora is still a top 10 contender 10 years later makes that performance better than it seemed then.
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Chisora really will fight anyone.
     
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  14. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Chisora is better than hes ever been currently, he's in better shape and realises his limitations and fights around them, something he didnt do before.