Is Chris John Hall Of Fame worthy?

Of course. A handful of excellent wins (even if they were all close) and a spate of very good ones during a lengthy title reign.

 

I'm not really interested in the number of times he's defended his abc title in Indonesia. He didn't fight at a high enough level. That could be boxing politics or could be a personal choice, either way, I don't think he's done enough.

 

By the current standards, there is no question he deserves to get in.

The JMM win is an elite victory, and one that is NOT a robbery by any means. A super close fight he edged against one of the best fighters P4P of the whole era.

 

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Gainer, Marquez, Juarez, and Yordan are a pretty high level - and while those are spaced far apart, they are all spackled together by about a dozen top ranked contenders.

He has fought nothing but world title contests for a decade. No tune-ups.

As for the homebody nonsense, yeah, only half of those 17 consecutive world title contests have been in Indonesia.

Of his last nine straight, only a third.

Unless you count the entire continent of Asia as "at home" for him, even when he's going to Japan to defend against a Japanese boxer, which is pretty ****ing stupid.

 

:deal

 

because the WBA deems them ranked contenders doesnt make it so
he has fought 2 guys that ever put together a streak of at least 6 wins in a row..... defended his title over top contenders coming off losses. no surprise people give him a pass because of his padded recorded. not 1 unification fight is pretty pathetic

 

Definatley. Could maybe use a big win to become first ballot. Perhaps over the Salido-Garcia or Gonzalez-De Leon winner, and travel to North Amercia for it to silence the critics who DKSAB. But John along with Pongsaklek Wongjongkam are 2 of the best little guys of the era who are unfortunately underrated because they don't fight out of Amercia.

 

The only fighter that John defended against who was coming off a loss was Gainer (who was past it but still rated despite stinking out the joint against JMM). Every other fighter he has defended against is coming off a victory going into the fight.

* Kimura defeated former titlist Lee.
* JMM was coming off victories over Gainer and Salido
* Enoki was undefeated, and highly ranked not just by the WBA but by RING, as well. Coming in off a draw against future titleholder Ao.
* Rojas had inflicted the first loss on Cabellero's record- not that long before CC schooled PDL.
* Juarez was coming off a win over Jorge Barrios to rejuvenate his career.
* Cabellero wasn't great, but was coming in on off a lengthy win streak.

There were some no-hopers, but that's the case with any long reigning titlists' record. On the whole, John's quality of opposition while champion has been acceptable, with one or two outstanding fighters; and that, along with the numbers he's put up might well get him into the HOF in due time.

 

Okay I grant you my Indonesia defense statement was sweeping, but I've rolled my dice on this one, IB.

World title defenses mean less in the diluted era we live in, unless he is defending the undisputed/Ring title, I don't want numbers, I want names.

Looking at his record and from what I have seen of him, including one of those fights with Juarez which was more even that it should be if your headed for the HOF, I just don't see him as worthy. Yordan? He's good but it's not that much of a feather in the cap.

For me the HOF is open to entry for all time greats and handful of others who made a significant difference or left their mark on the sport. Unfortunately for me, John isn't even famous enough.

 

winning the title he fought oscar leon, coming off a loss. there were 5 other fighters that had lost 1 out of their last 2. getting into the hall of fame means jack **** these days anyway....its been cheapened big time....so let him in with his string of crap wba title fights

 

Actually that is quite explicitly what it means.

:huh Actually just about everyone he's fought in his reign has put together longer streaks than that, some by quite a lot. Not sure if this comment is just lazy or intended to be sarcastic, but it's factually incorrect.

The guys his opponents lost to were not tomato cans, either. (in Kimura's case, for instance - another world titlist and three men who at different times were Japanese super bantamweight champion, so while you can argue they weren't world class elite they were at least the top of the heap domestically)

A couple of times, sure. For whom didn't it pan out that way now and then among nearly twenty defenses - especially in a division that in that time has been top-loaded and not overly brimming with talent outside the champs?

Not all that padded, really.

Please make a list of all the champions in the same time period who have sought and achieved unification - and done so without major promotional backing or a high television profile in one of the more developed nations?

This shouldn't take long.

 

He won the interim title by defeating Leon, but won full recognition by defeating Sato (who was coming off a win and a draw over long time contender Sithoar).

(Sorry...Couldn't resist).

But if you want, let's take the title reign from the point when he won the Super WBA title against JMM. He's defended the Super title 11 times, twice against the popular Juarez in the latter's backyard, twice against Japanese fighters in Japan, and at least half the time against contenders who were of reasonable quality.

That's a pretty good reign, especially given that that quite of few of those defenses have come on the road. It probably puts him in the same vicinity as someone like Antonio Esperragoza, who is considered to be one of the more underrated FW's of the post Sanchez/Pedroza era. With a few more wins against reasonable opponents, he might move into a higher plane, and given the fact that he stayed with sure-fire HOF'er JMM at any rate, probably will be just enough to allow him to receive eventual consideration for the Hall.

And while the Hall has indeed been cheapened, all I'm really trying to say is that there are worse fighters to induct than John.

 

John deserved a draw at best anywhere else he wouldn't of won. After getting his home grown decision I expected more, alot more from him. I guess he gets homesick real quick. But based on his performance vs Jmm because tho I thought he lost he did prove he belonged in the elite level and Gainer, Juarez, and Yordan were good wins at the time. He's borderline to me because where it really counts he's fallen short IMO. He lost to Jmm and hasn't faced another elite since how I see it.Hopes he faces an elite 135lber or 126lber because there isnt a real challenge at 130. Yet.

 

He beat Marquez pretty handily...outboxed him