Is Cotto an ATG?

No. Hof? Yes. ATG? No.

That said, he still has the potential to be an ATG. If he can really establish for himself a substantial middleweight reign than he could. Wins over Alvarez and Golovkin would go along way to getting him there.

 

if you add Maussa add Bailey and N'dou those a better wins that a few mentioned. n'dou is a very underrated win. Cotto was green and N'dou was comming of a very controversial loss against the second best fighter at 140lbs at that time Shramba Mitchell, behind Kostya thats for sure. Hatton was still named prospect and Floyd was a lightweight.

 

I wouldn't say he's a all time great, but he's definitely one of the best action fighters to come out of Puerto Rico. Cotto can still solidify his spot amongst the best, depending on who he beats at this stage in his career. Beating Martinez was a great win for him. If Cotto can beat 3 out of 4 of these fighters Mayweather ,Canelo, GGG, even Chavez jr. Then he would be an ATG.

 

his best win is against a flat-lined Mosley on a close decision. after that he's got a good list of wins against good fighters, but nothing special.

he just about gets into the HOF. he's nowhere near to being an ATG though.

he lost all his big fights. the Martinez win is meh, due to him being completely broken. so no, he shouldn't be given that tag.

 

:good for once we agree completely

I can't fathom how cotto can now be rated as an ATG since his fight with Martinez was always about how far Martinez had slipped

 

mad comments like this, is the reason this place is a **** hole.

it doesn't even make any god damn sense. :huh

 

i know. i simply cannot understand the madness of people on here.

 

why you felt the need to bring Golovkin into this, i'll never know.

but what is clear though, is that you are insecure about the man.

just saying.

 

i think we should celebrate the fact we agree. it's not often it happens. :good

i suppose the Martinez win was good, but nothing more can be given for that fight, considering.

 

No

 

An ATG Puerto Rican fighter. :toney

 

Agreed. Cotto's resume of wins over good, solid fighters is actually pretty deep. It's not top-heavy.

I never got the feeling watching him "we're witnessing an all-time great". Did anyone here feel that way? He's also been a "very good" fighter to me.

And as I said earlier, the 4 divisional thing sounds way better than it actually is when you look at the opposition and ways in which he won those titles.

 

You either credit the achievement, or not.

You can't make value judgments as to opposition quality to invalidate one guy's achievement if you aren't willing to abandon recognition of achievements on paper altogether.

The fighters can't help the caliber of what is put in front of them when they get their world title shot, or how deep or rich in talent available their era is.

 

But isn't that what we do with fighters? Look at the whole picture?

Pacquiao wins world titles in 8 divisions, more than anyone else, but that doesn't make him the greatest ever. Hardly anyone says he's the greatest ever, despite having the most accomplishments on paper in terms of world titles.

Why not? Because of the era, the number of belts out there, the situations in which he won them.

Oscar won titles in 6 divisions, but I'd assume you rank him below fighters who have titles in less, don't you?

Same applies here.

 

4 weight champ.

Only lost to two ATG's himself.

Yes.

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